User talk:DarkJedi613/4


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A suggestion and a possible bot job
Hey, DJ - hope things are going well with you. I've had a thought - since we're supposed to be an in-universe encyclopedia, shouldn't Category:Characters be changed to Category:Humans? We already have Category:Non-human characters (which would have to be retitled as simply Category:Non-Humans) and associated sub-cats.  OR , leave Category:Characters, and create Category:Humans as a sub-cat. Either way, we would need your to change all links to Category:Characters to Category:Humans. Suggestions? - Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 07:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, having looked into this, it is clear that this will require a major overhaul of the entire category! Several renames, a lot of cat changing in articles.  Here is my rough layout of what I think the category should be structured like:


 * Category:Individuals (renamed from Category:Characters)
 * Category:Individuals by ability (renamed from Category:Characters by ability - sub cats remain the same)
 * Category:Individuals by achievement (renamed from Category:Characters by achievement - sub cats remain the same)
 * Category:Individuals by injury (renamed from Category:Characters by injury - sub cats remain the same)
 * Category:Families (no changes)
 * Category:Individuals by job (renamed from Category:Jobs - sub cats already in cat remain the same, but are joined by Category:Hogwarts employees, Category:Ministry of Magic employees, Category:Quidditch players and Category:Quidditch referees, all of which are currently in Category:Characters) - note: I didn't get rid of Category:Jobs because it suddenly occured to me that we need two distinct categories, one for individuals, and one for the jobs themselves. Recatted to be in Category:Harry Potter universe.
 * Category:Individuals by race/species (unsure which one sounds better - new category)
 * Category:Humans (new category)
 * Category:Wizards (new category)
 * Category:Muggles (moved from Category:Characters)
 * Category:Non-Humans (renamed from Category:Non-human characters - sub cats remain the same, joined by Category:Werewolves and Category:Ghosts, both currently in Category:Characters)
 * Category:Individuals by gender (new category - this is the big one since it means every article has to have a new cat added regarding gender!)
 * Category:Males
 * Category:Females
 * Category:Individuals by nationality (renamed from Category:Foreign characters - new sub cats created for various foreign characters in the series. We already have Category:French characters, which would be renamed to Category:French (or something similar).  Again, this is a big one as it means recat a lot of articles)
 * Category:Individuals by House (renamed from Category:Students by House - as pointed out, some individuals listed in this category are no longer students - this could possibly mean relisting all students with Category:Students as well as their House)
 * Category:Students (no changes)

It's a lot to do, sure, but I don't mind taking the lead on it since you're busy with school. I'll introduce the changes gradually, and inform you when I need the bot to start making category changes in articles. What do you think? Any suggestions? - Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 09:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For the categories you stated, I think keeping them there would be ok unless we can find a sub-cat to put them in. Dark Wizards under Individuals by job wouldn't look quite right :)  I was thinking of creating a separate category branch with all the changes/ new categories first, while keeping the old cat branch in use.  Then, once we're ready, run the bot and shift all the articles over a cat at a time then delete the cat.  What do you think? -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 13:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I hope you don't mind me throwing in my two cents here. I think cleaning up the current categorization system is a great idea, and I really like the layout you've created, Cavalier One, but I have a couple of minor suggestions/concerns:
 * Category:Individuals by species is probably a preferable title to Category:Individuals by race, as the intent would would be to sort Dobby from Dumbledore, not Kingsley from Ron. Readers who aren't familiar with the fantasy definition of "race" would be confused, thinking the category is supposed to sort by ethnicity, so I think we should choose a title which makes the proper context clearer.
 * Category:Werewolves and Category:Ghosts should remain in Category:Humans. Werewolves are still human, they just transform once a month, and ghosts were once human (Nearly Headless Nick tells Harry in Chapter 38 of Order of the Phoenix that only witches and wizards can become ghosts). That's why I deliberately avoided moving either category into Category:Non-humans characters when I created it a couple of days ago.
 * BTW, I wouldn't mind helping you with categorizing by gender, DarkJedi, if it helps things get done faster. I'll start with the second half of the alphabet (N-Z) to avoid any edit conflicts. -Starstuff 20:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding gender - I don't believe it's ever been mentioned that there is more than male and female. No character/ creature has been shown to reproduce asexually, except possibly Dementors and I wouldn't categorise them by gender. I'll start adding the empty categories to Category:Individuals per the guide, changing the ones I can do the easiest, thne we should coordinate for using the bot. I suggest striking each cat change on the list above as it's completed to make sure we get everything. - Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 22:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've struck through a few I've done - I didn't strike the new Categories Individuals, Males and Females since, although created, they are not complete. I'm thinking we should shift this to a temporary subpage to avoid clogging up your talk page. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 22:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We'll keep it here on your talk page then - saves the trouble of deleting it later, and you can check in on the process. Makes requesting a bot job easier as well. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 08:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)