Talk:Severus Snape/Archive 2

Diction, syntax, punctuation, etc...
I was reading down through Snape's article, and was noticing a few minor, basic grammar problems on the page. I feel like some paragraphs can be tweaked to sound just a bit better. I am majoring in English Composition; but as I am new to Wikia and am not sure how boldyou actually want me to be; I am going to submit an edited version of the “Half-Blood Prince” section here; rather than saving it directly in an attempt to gauge your reactions. Keep in mind that I have no intention of changing information: I only want to edit diction, punctuation, spelling, etc…

Original: 

“Severus Snape was a brilliant wizard, even in his childhood years. It is apparent through the notes and scribbles in his Potions textbook that he made time during classes to invent curses, charms, and brilliant potion innovations, while simultaneously learning the required textbook lessons.

Severus Snape's potions textbook contains a few spells which he specifically took credit for inventing: Levicorpus, which grabs the victim by the ankle and dangles them upside-down and Sectumsempra, which causes slashing cuts which bleed extensiveley guided by hand gestures on the victim. Levicorpus somehow escaped from Severus' secrecy, and became very popular around the school towards the end of his fifth year at school. Some other spells are Muffliato, which fills the ears of anyone nearby with an "unidentifiable buzzing sound," and Langlock, which affixes the victim's tongue to the roof of the mouth. Snape's book later fell into the hands of Harry Potter in 1996. Harry used the Half-Blood Prince's tips and earned praise with that year's Potions master Professor Horace Slughorn. Harry considered the Half-Blood Prince to be a better teacher than Snape, unaware at that point that Snape was the Prince in question.

The potions textbook has an inscription indicating it is Property of the Half-Blood Prince. Hermione Granger's research revealed that Prince was the maiden name of Snape's mother. Snape's nickname combined his mother's name with ironic use of the word 'half-blood'. This nickname was apparently a secret, as Remus Lupin did not remember it ever being used publicly by Snape.“

Revision:

“Even as a student at Hogwarts, Severus Snape was a brilliant, innovative wizard. His brilliance is manifested in the notes and scribbles that were scrawled throughout his Potions textbook. Unlike the average wizarding student, he made use of his time during classes to invent advanced curses and charms; while simultaneously learning, and significantly improving, the required textbook lessons.

Severus Snape's potions textbook contains a few spells which he specifically took credit for inventing: Levicorpus, which grabs the victim by the ankle and dangles them upside-down; and Sectumsempra, which cause slashing cuts with a gruesome, possibly lethal result. Levicorpus somehow escaped from Severus' confidence and became very popular around the school, towards the end of his fifth year at school. Some other known spells include Muffliato, which fills the ears of anyone nearby with an "unidentifiable buzzing sound," and Langlock, which affixes the victim's tongue to the roof of the mouth. Snape's potion’s textbook fell into the hands of Harry Potter in 1996, who used the tips written in the book by the Half-Blood Prince, and earned praise with the then current Potions master Professor Horace Slughorn. Ironically, Harry considered the Half-Blood Prince’s teaching superior to that of Snape’s, unaware at that point that Snape actually was the Prince in question.

The Potions textbook had an inscription indicating that was “Property of the Half-Blood Prince.” Snape's nickname combined his mother's name with ironic use of the word 'half-blood', which was shown by research Hermione Granger completed that revealed that “Prince” was the maiden name of Snape's mother. This nickname was apparently a secret, as Remus Lupin did not remember it ever being used publicly by Snape.”

If there are no objections within a few days I will plan on saving my changes,

Please respond with opinions,

Thank you very much,

Halfbloodpauper 19:23, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's good u can go ahead with that. On wikia u need not take permission of people for correcting grammar & minor changes u feel like doing. Almost all main pages are being constantly watched by old users so if your edits are irrelevant to wikia policy they will be undone.

Bellatrix is Snape's cousin?
"Other Slytherins Sirius mentioned as being friends with Snape included Evan Rosier, Wilkes and his cousin Bellatrix Black (later to become Bellatrix Lestrange)."

I know I'm just a guest and I know I'm not a part of this wiki, but I would like to ask this. Where does it ever mention in the books or movies that there is a relation there? I went to the Bellatrix page and there was no mention of Bellatrix being related to Snape and there was no mention of the Black family in the Prince family page or the Eileen Prince page. What is the source for this comment?


 * No, no, you misunderstand the comment. It actually meant Sirius's cousin Bellatrix Lestrange. If you reread it you will see your mistake. Thanks.-- L.V.K.T.V.J. Hogwarts.jpg( Send an owl! ) 01:46, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... ok thanks. I was definitely misreading it. It's not exactly very clear though, but I see it. :)

Audio Drama
MisfitsAudio has made an audio drama based on the story of Severus Snape during his fifth year at Hogwarts. It is in no way associated with J.K. Rowling. The link is http://misfitsaudio.com/serialsnape.php--Jj7362 17:00, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes
What was Snape saying in Order of the Phoenix after Sirius called him Snivellus??? --Danniesen June 16 2010 22:20

The book or the movie? I think your talking about the beginning of the movie at Grimwauld place.--Jj7362 19:18, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I'm talking about the movie. What does Snape say after he was called Snivellus. --Danniesen June 21 2010 07:45

Are you talking about this one?:"I've warned you, Snivellus," said Sirius, his face barely a foot from Snape's, "I don't care if Dumbledore thinks you've reformed, I know better --" "Oh, but why don't you tell him so?" whispered Snape. "Or are you afraid he might not take the advice of a man who has been hiding inside his mother's house for six months very seriously?"

Rolanda, best if one compares how Snape responds to the same question when Black asks and when Bellatrix asks during the QP chapter - HBP - 2 (note that both Snape and Bellatrix are trying to convince Narcissa whereas Snape doesn't care whether Black believes him or not). Snape tends to use distraction and to speak and then move onto the next question before Bellatrix can ask the follow-up question - things one does when one is trying to cover something up. (Vaudree (talk))

Funny video clip
Feel free to delete this if it is pointless and unnecessary, but the one clip where Harry is casting a spell at Snape and then Snape is blocking it and knocking Harry down is funny. It looks like Harry keeps getting back up and cursing him and Snape keeps blocking it over and over. How many times, Harry, how many times...? RolandaSmithson 18:44, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, i was thinking the same. --Danniesen 12 July 2010 12:19

The ability to fly: who taught who?
The article states that Voldemort is the only other character able to fly, and that it is likely that Voldemort taught the ability to Snape. However, in the Deathly Hollows, it is shown that the Snape observed Lily Evans floating away from a swing when they were children. I therefore assumed that Snape (and possibly Lily) later developed this rudimentary gliding into full-fledged flight, a skill he then demonstrated to Voldemort. Am I the only one who came to this conclusion? 192.54.222.11 00:43, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't necesarily consider what Lily did as flying, more like floating down safely. Whereas Voldemort actually flies very high up over very long distances. Once could also argue that what Snape did was to do what Lily had done over a slightly longer distance. --BachLynn23 00:34, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean to argue that what Lily did was flying. I rather meant that it could be a precursor to what later developed into full-fledged flying. They were, after all, only 11 (or younger) at the time. I've edited the original comment above to clarify this. 192.54.222.11 00:44, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see what you mean now, interesting thought, sounds plausible, but probably wouldn't be considered cannon. --BachLynn23 00:48, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, this Unsupported flight seems to be just a personalized form of the "flying Apparition" that it's shown in several scenes of the Harry Potter films. For example: 1) The flight of the Order of the Phoenix and Death Eaters members during the Battle of the Department of Mysteries; 2) The flight of Bellatrix Lestrange and Fenrir Greyback when they attacked The Burrow in the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (film). Maybe the scenes of the Unsupported flight were just picture effects for the films and not an actual creation of Voldemort or Snape. Andre G. Dias (talk) 23:43, March 22, 2014 (Brazil)

Do you know the books? It is said in the books that this is new to Minerva McGonagall and she said that he must have learned it from his master, Voldemort.  Harry granger   Talk    contribs  14:15, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

Snape's reaction to Harry's spy comment.
When Harry and Snape are having one of their Occlumency lesson Snape tells harry that it's not his job to find out what the Dark Lord is saying to his Death Eaters, and Harry snaps that it's his job. Snape seems pleased with Harry's comment does anyone have a guess what Snape what thinking about it? Pride, that Harry was showing him respect? Ztyran 16:48, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Last Words
Snape's last words were not "Look at me! LOOK AT ME!" He says, "Look...at...me..." Also, the sentence his last words were shoved into clearly didn't make any sense, which is why I removed it.

But his last words "Look at me," made entirely sense. He was telling Harry this because he wanted to see Harry's eyes, being just like Lily Evans. Lily Evans being Severus' love of his life even after the two were no longer friends.

Johnny Depp Girl 03:41, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't take it that way at all. I thought "look at me" meant "look at my life, look at my memories and understand who I am and what I've done." 76.254.3.237 11:23, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, He wanted to see the eyes of the only woman he'd ever loved before he died. I like to believe he found some sort of comfort seeing Lily's eyes again right before he took his last breath.
 * 71.28.201.0 02:20, July 16, 2011 (UTC)Rebecca Brooks
 * No, I agree that Snape was saying, "Take a look at at me, at who I really am." That bit about Lily's eyes is romantic, but it's not actually supported in the book. The movie seemed to take that approach, even though it wasn't true to the book. (79.141.166.7 12:19, January 6, 2012 (UTC)) 


 * No, he did want to see Lily's eyes. In his memories we learn Dumbledore tells Snape that Harry has Lily's eyes and that is one of the things that motivates him to save Harry. Although he would have most likely still helped to save Harry, the fact that they shared the same eyes was a reminder that he was Lily's son. I think it was very hard for Snape because Harry looked so much like James but his eyes were a physical reminder of Lily. When he died he wanted to think of Lily as his last thought before his death. Also Harry had not seen Snape's memories before so Harry had no knowledge of Snape's allegiance to Dumbledore, so Harry would not be able to reflect on Severus' life yet. In the novel it says "The green eyes found black,..." pg.658. That defiently refers to Lily's eyes and the fact that Snape looks right at them before he dies.

I totally agree with you on the whole Harry looking too much like James part plus James&Sirius bullied Snape when Snape was a Student At Hogwarts so I think snape still felt hurt&was holding a grudge against James&Sirius for them bullying him,so snape decided to take his anger out on Harry because by that point James and Lily were already dead so Snape clearly could take his anger out on James,Sirius started out in prison then recently died so Snape could not take his anger out on Sirius either the only target left was Harry who looked a lot like James but also at the same time Harry had Lily's eyes so snape had to balance between being nice to Harry because he has Lily's eyes and then being mean to Harry because he also resembled James.i do not think snape wanted to be mean to Harry but it was probably hard to do that since Harry is resembles both of his parents.i think if James and Sirius had not bullied snape way back when snape was a student at hogwarts that it would of been easier for snape to be nicer to Harry because then snape would not have cared if Harry resembled James if James and Sirius had not bullied Snape when snape was going to school at hogwarts.i think snape probably only cared that Harry resembled James because James and Sirius had to be dumb enough to bullies to Snape,but then when snape learns that Harry has Lily's eyes it probably felt like snape still had a piece of Lily around(even if it was Harry).


 * I think he told Harry to look at him 1) to see Lily one last time and 2) to say in so many words 'Look who I am and what I've become. Don't continue hating me because of the way I treated you. Think of me as a great person because of what I'm about to show you.' This seems to make a bit more sense than him just wanting one thing or the other because he did share the memories with Harry right at the end. Snape was not a bad guy. He just didn't know how to show he cared properly due to his hatred for James. He truly cared for Harry but only for half of him. MahoganyCharm10665 (talk) 20:46, October 31, 2014 (UTC)Stephanie 31 October, 2014MahoganyCharm10665 (talk) 20:46, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

New infobox image
With the release of new images of Severus Snape in Deathly Hallows, we should change his profile image:

Feel free to add new candidates. Remember that our layout guide recomends using images from the latest film in order to show his most recent phisical appearance. --The Evening Prophet  (Owl Post ) 12:47, October 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I personally prefer New image I, as it is his most recent appearance and HQ. --Ravenclawcrest.jpgThe Evening Prophet Ravenclawcrest.jpg (Owl Post ) 12:47, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

I myself like "New Image II". You see the most of his face aside from the illumination of the face. Harry granger 18:59, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I added a new infobox picture from last release poster of deathly hallows 2 that i think that looks really cool. Tho it appears something like under the pic i dont know how i can write Severus Snape in there so if some1 could do it or tell me how i would appreciate. Thank you Dumbledorefan 8 June, 2011

Update: some1 did it. Thank you :)

Forum:Post-DH2 infobox images

Logic and Genius
I couldn't help but notice that two things are not mentioned in his skill section.


 * 1) Logic. He created the logic puzzle, that helped guard the philosophers stone.
 * 2) Intelligence. He is said to be a genius, or at least very intelligent.

Why are these two things on Hermonie's profile but not his? . I was thinking of adding these two things, but I wanted to know if it is alright first.

it was not Snape that created the logic puzzle? Didnt he do the potion thingy?

I would not say genious, but concidering his school years he read a lot, which means he is learned in magic, but yes, I guess he is quite intelligent.

The logic puzzle was the potion contribution. Hermione figured out which potion Harry had to drink to move forward by solving the logic puzzle. Larkin21 (talk) 16:21, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Missing words/bad sentence composition...
...with this:

"Dolores Umbridge rubbed the fact that he failed to acquire the position of D.A.D.A. professor he always wanted,..."

Rubbed what? It should probably read:

"Dolores Umbridge rubbed in his face the fact that he failed to acquire the position of D.A.D.A. professor he always wanted,..."

There's probably a better way of putting it, but as it is right now on the locked Wikia page, it doesn't make sense.

ParryHotterHero 12:07, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Loyalty
I think in the infobox, loyalty to Harry Potter should be listedNankai 06:25, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is policy on this wiki (though it is frequently ignored) that individuals should not be listed in the loyalties sections. --JKoch Ravenclawcrest.jpg(Owl Me! ) 06:32, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Patronus
Regarding: Dumbledore: "After all this time, Severus?" Snape: "Always." — Dumbledore and Snape discussing Snape's continued love for Lily Evans in Snape's last memory, as viewed by Harry Potter.[src]

I thought this exchange specifically related to the fact that Snape's Patronus remained a doe, like Lily's. (Which is certainly a testament to his continuing love, but is a little more specific.)


 * Expanding on my post, I guess I see it as an important distinction because one's patronus is such an intimate expression of the soul and character. Carrying a torch for a past love can become more of a choice, or a conscious commitment. One's patronus transcends conscious control and is therefore a pure expression of the person's truest self.


 * I fall completely agree with Ingawh comments. And I think this kind of comments should be added to the Patronus section. I want to point out that this specificity of Snape is unusual and full of meaning. Tonks is the only character to have been able to change her Patronus, with witty comments from Snape stating than her dog Patronus look weak. It requires not just strong magical abilities, but powerful feelings, in order to be able to change the Patronus form, and keep it powerful. As Ingawh stated, it demonstrates the the strength of the love of Snape toward Lily Potter. Maspleben 19:41, July 26, 2011 (UTC)maspleben

dumbledore's death
In the article it says that Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. In the movie snape kills him under the orders of voldemort because draco didn't, but also it was a bit unclear. Dumbledore said "Severus....please." So I'm not completely sure if changes should be made or not. Also before Snape killed him, Dumbledore was trying to talk Draco out of it.Hermioneisme71 15:20, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finish reading the series. --JKoch Ravenclawcrest.jpg(Owl Me! ) 17:35, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Firstly, when he said "Severus Please," he was meaning that he wanted Snape to kill him, though Snape must not have been entirely comfortable with it. And the reason why Dumbledore was trying to talk Draco out of it, was because Dumbledore wanted Snape to do it instead. Johnny Depp Girl 03:44, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly, finish the series. Speedysnitch 02:40, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly, finish the series. Speedysnitch 02:40, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly, finish the series. Speedysnitch 02:40, May 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe that JKR wrote the "Severus....please" to be deliberately ambiguous, as a red herring to maintain the drama of the series; it looks like Dumbledore is pleading with Snape to spare him (at least, that's what I thought on first reading this scene), but it turns out (near the end of Deathly Hallows) that Dumbledore was actually pleading for Snape to kill him as per their bargain just before the start of the school year, to spare him from a worse death and to spare Draco Malfoy's soul from getting mangled. -- RobertATfm (talk) 10:13, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

There is a third reason, besides wishing to save Draco's soul and himself from a more painful death - DD figured that his death would further the goal of defeating Voldemort (just like when Ron sacrificed himself in the chess game in PS/SS so that they could win the game). If Voldemort believed that Snape killed DD, either to gain favour, or to avoid his own death from the unbreakable vow, then he will presume that Snape is loyal and put him in charge of the school. DD wanted Voldemort to put someone he could trust in charge of the school to protect the students. DD had a bad habit of telling people what he felt they needed to know but no more - a quality his portrait displayed after his death. This may be a stretch, but DD may have known or suspected that Voldemort would be after a more powerful wand before because his wand did not work properly against Harry in the graveyard and might have intentionally set it up so that one person disarmed him and another killed him to disguise the path of wand ownership. (Vaudree (talk) 03:14, October 24, 2015 (UTC))

Snape's phrase
Hi everyone! I have a doubt. The phrase "Look at me" said by Snape. Where does it say that this phrase was to see Lily's eyes for the last time. Is it written in any of the books? THANK YOU!! Death Bebito --200.115.253.222 22:47, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

This is a lot of info! I always thought that there should be a small summary paragraph and then you could click on another hyperlink to read more look into that!

Snape's middle name
His middle name was never revealed right. Because I'm currently arguing with someone about that and they insist JK Rowling said it was Tobias after his father. I have not found that information anywhere and its certainly not here. Gryffindor1991 19:51, May 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know but it certainly isn't "Snivellus". —German eagle logo.Png  Firefox1095 German eagle logo.Png— 00:52, May 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I tried searching for it and it said possibly Tobias they are not sure...I might read the half blood prince and see.... Speedysnitch 02:38, May 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * His middle name is never mentioned. I just got through reading the entire series again for fun, so it's all fresh in my mind. Wish I knew what his mn was though.... 75.54.91.118 18:18, March 10, 2012 (UTC) Guest

Prefect
Was it possible that Snape was a Prefect? Slughorn did like Snape and was impressed with him. But this might seem unlikely because if he was a Prefect, he could have put James in detention during their fifth year when James attacked Snape.

I would say probably not concidering how he was a loner, I am certain that Snapes excellent potions skills were sufficient to please Slughorn, since Harry succesfully did that merely with Snapes old notes...


 * There are at least three possible explanations for why Snape didn't punish Potter:


 * 1) Snape wasn't a Prefect.
 * 2) Prefects at Hogwarts can't punish other Prefects, as this would undermine the system.
 * 3) Snape (perhaps bearing in mind his unpopularity, especially outside Slytherin House) didn't want to risk further humiliation by drawing attention to the episode.

RobertATfm (talk) 10:20, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that there is enough to say whether Snape was a Prefect or not so it remains a theory in play. Lupin and Lily were Prefects for sure in the memory Arceus The God of Pokémon seems to be referring to. Moody said something about Prefects being bully magnets, but people are bullied for reasons other than being Prefects. Black said that Snape was always trying to get them expelled. Reporting wrongdoing by students is something that a Prefect does, but one doesn't need to be a Prefect to report wrongdoing. Black did seem to serve a lot of detentions so someone caught him doing what he shouldn't. Snape's memory showed that James was willing to risk detention to get Lily's attention. What consequences James and Black faced for that very offensive incident remain unknown so you can't really say for sure that Snape didn't punish or report Jamtart. Snape was alone because he wanted to watch Lily. (Vaudree (talk) 02:43, October 24, 2015 (UTC))

Boathouse / Books vs Movies
This entry includes a statement about Snape going to the boathouse to wait for Voldemort. However, this is only a part of the movies and not part of the books. Snape instead goes to the Shrieking Shack.

This is one of the most common problems I find on this wiki - information from the books and the movies are used interchangeably. It makes the wiki unreliable for book information.


 * Under this site's canon policy, information from the films, games, and other official media is considered canon as long as it doesn't directly contradict information from the books or JKR herself. In this case, the film directly contradicts the book, so the main body of the article should state that Snape went to the Shrieking Shack, not the boathouse. I'll look over the article and change this error if I see it. ★ S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 19:17, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Jo's Drawing of Him
Shouldn't the article image be changed to the drawing Jo did of him? It is the highest canonical image available. 75.249.112.253 04:49, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
There are some pictures under the section of his time as headmaster of Hogwarts. There are pictures of him in Godric's Hollow and even one holding Lily in his arms. I wonder, why are they there? Chronologically, those pictures should be put somewhere around the First Wizarding War, right? I understand I put on of him in Godric's Hollow in the Headmaster section, but that was only because I thought he went back to the Potter's house, not knowing he went there on the night of the Potters' deaths, since it certainly did not happen in the book. Those are part of The Prince's Tale, however, they are not in correct chronological order; unless, of course, I have overlooked some policy about pictures of memories... in which case, I apologise. AlastorMoody 04:30, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

If there was a policy you had overlooked regarding pictures of memories, then all the pictures at the beginning of the article would have to be moved. It really makes more sense to move the memory pictures to the early life and first wizarding war parts of the article.Icecreamdif 22:47, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but at times people put the pictures of memories in the time section in which the memories were seen. For a quick example, if someone were to review a memory in 1996 but the memory was about 1978, then someone might put a picture of the memory taking place in 1978 under a section about 1996 >.> AlastorMoody 20:48, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Relationship with DADA professors
Small note. It mentions how Snape hated the DADA professors with the rare exception of Alastor Moody. However, while Snape thought it was Moody, it was really Bartemius Crouch Jr who would taunt Snape about his loyalties between Dumbledore and Voldemort. He may have later on displayed still the same fear or respect towards the real Moody, but that it was really Barty would have changed the dynamic somewhat. Certainly, the real Moody may have had different things to say about the matter, as a member of the Order of the Phoenix.

At the very least, a small mention that it was Barty Crouch in disguise.

What is the source?
The section Hogwarts Years includes the following:


 * "In one instance in particular, Sirius decided it would be fun to trick Snape into visiting the Shrieking Shack at a time when Remus Lupin, afflicted with lycanthropy, would be there during his transformation into a werewolf. Severus had noticed that Remus kept disappearing during the full moon, and Sirius told him how to get past the Whomping Willow to follow him. This act could have cost Severus his life or his humanity (he could have been turned into a werewolf by Lupin's bite) had it not been for James. When James found out what had happened, he went after Severus and managed to save him just before he got to the Shrieking Shack while Remus was in his wolf-form."

What is the source on this? I have no recollection of reading about this in the books and I certainly did not see it in any film. If the source cannot be provided, the entire paragraph should be removed. Sings-With-Spirits 19:01, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's mentioned in Prisoner of Azakban, during the encounter at the Shrieking Shack. -- <font face="Gisha" color="red">Cubs Fan <font face="Gisha" color="white">(Talk to me)  19:34, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Severus was very interested in where I went every month.” Lupin told Harry, Ron, and Hermione. “We were in the same year, you know, and we — er — didn’t like each other very much. He especially disliked James. Jealous, I think, of James’s talent on the Quidditch field… anyway Snape had seen me crossing the grounds with Madam Pomfrey one evening as she led me toward the Whomping Willow to transform. Sirius thought it would be — er — amusing, to tell Snape all he had to do was prod the knot on the tree trunk with a long stick, and he’d be able to get in after me. Well, of course, Snape tried it — if he’d got as far as this house, he’d have met a fully grown werewolf — but your father, who’d heard what Sirius had done, went after Snape and pulled him back, at great risk to his life… Snape glimpsed me, though, at the end of the tunnel. He was forbidden by Dumbledore to tell anybody, but from that time on he knew what I was…" -- Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (chapter 18) -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 19:41, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I edited the entry to remove the fanfic (and slanderous) elements regarding Sirius Black. Sings-With-Spirits 21:40, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

There are two accounts of that event - the above one from Lupin and a shorter one from Snape also in POA. Note that Lupin would have been in the shack so his account would have been second hand and Snape was there. Snape said that both Black and James were there before he entered the tree and made his way to the door of the shack. Lupin's account doesn't technically contradict Snape's version, though it is worded in a way to lead one to believe that the prank was all due to Black and the saving was all due to James. James heard it - how and from whom - when he heard Black say it to Snape because he was right there? Lupin's account does not say how long after James heard it that he went in after Snape. Odds are he figured that Snape would chicken out long before he reached the hut. We don't know why James saved Snape, but we know why Snape thinks that James saved him - to save his own neck as well as Snape's. If it was all down to Black, how would James be saving his own neck by saving Snape? The event shows that, while James liked to humiliate people, he did not want to be responsible for another person's death. (Vaudree (talk) 03:42, October 24, 2015 (UTC))

Source of information?
I just wanted to know where people got all the information about snape's time as a student at hogwarts, his childhood, his relationships, etc? because, if there is a book or something, I would certaintly love to buy it. &quot;always&quot; 14:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Information about Snape comes from excerpts from the Harry Potter books and parts of the films. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 14:11, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * what are excerpts? &quot;always&quot; 10:20, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Excerpts are short passages from a source of information. It could be as short as a sentence or as long as a paragraph. -- <font face="Gisha" color="red">Cubs Fan <font face="Gisha" color="white">(Talk to me)  17:03, July 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * theres a chapter in book 7 where you go into Snapes memory

Snivellus
I just wanted to know what this knickname means &quot;always&quot; 14:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Snivellus" is a pun on Snape's first name, Severus and 'snivel', to make a whimpering or sniffing sound when breathing because of a runny nose. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 14:10, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Death and Wand ownership
In the section regarding the Battle of Hogwarts and his death, it is important to note that Harry was the master of the Elder Wand NOT because he overpowered Draco, but because he overpowered Draco AND took his wand. I made the appropriate change but it was undone. Thus I have redone the change and added this explanation. Sings-With-Spirits 18:04, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

He took Draco's wand he didn't take the Elder Wand from Draco as it was buried with Dumbledore. He overpowered him but he didn't need to take the wand from him Joe.Blanchard4 19:47, June 14, 2012 (UTC) 14:47, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

It needs to be said, Draco overtook Dumbledore, yes. So, rightfully, he is the owner of the Elder Wand. However, Snape kills Dumbledore which is why Voldemort thought the wand belonged to Snape and kills him for it. We could say (even though the description says his wand is of unknown length/wood/core, he was an "owner" of the Elder wand.MahoganyCharm10665 (talk) 20:51, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

House
It said somewhere that Snape might have also made a good Gryfindor. In what ways is he a good Slytherin?


 * He is a firm believer in blood purity and the superiority of wizards over muggles. Sings-With-Spirits 18:03, August 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Where does it say that? I know that at first he believed that, but he certainly didn't when he died. After all, Lily was a muggle-born. Sev Lover Forever 21:40, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Remember why Lily turned away from him; despite his love for her (which blinded him to her blood status), he called her "mudblood" to her face after she came to defend him. He regretted it with every fiber of his being, but fact remains that when push came to shove, his bigotry shone through. Sure, he might have changed in later years, but when sorted, he had some rather firmly established ideas about blood purity. Sings-With-Spirits 21:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * In addition to the bigotry he showed in his 5th year (which he may have possessed prior to sorting, given how he felt about Muggles like his father and Petunia and his hesitation when Lily asked if it was ok to be a Muggle-born witch), there are a number of other factors. Slytherins aren't all bad, after all. Not every great wizard who shows bravery should be assumed Gryffindors. The qualities of a Slytherin, as stated by the sorting hat, Dumbledore, and JKR, include resourcefulness, cunning, ambition, leadership qualities, and self-preservation. In his role as a spy, Snape certainly showed resourcefulness, cunning, and self-preservation. As a teacher and Head of House, that is a strong leadership role that he continued in his positions with the Order and the Death Eaters. The Death Eaters at the Astronomy Tower definitely recognized him as a leader the moment he appeared on the scene. His ambition is shown through his general success as a wizard, his dedication to his studies, and, specifically, his desire to be recognized when he apprehended Sirius Black in Prisoner of Azkaban. Obviously, he loved getting his old  nemesis back and he believed, at the time, that Sirius had betrayed Lily and her family but he also seemed  incredibly keen on the Order of Merlin that Fudge mentioned. I do think that Snape has a number of strong qualities from every house (most probably do) and I like Dumbledore's  subtle tease in Deathly Hallows that perhaps he should have been sorted Gryffindor but I have no problem seeing him as Slytherin.Larkin21 (talk) 16:52, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

JKR said in an interview that Snape wanted to become a Death Eater to impress Lily - which seems contradictory at first glance. But if you look at it, because of the intense House rivalry between Gryffindor and Slytherin, being a House bully was a means of gaining popularity - as long as one's targets tended to be from the other house. Each House would be more aware of the consequences of the other's bullying and able to downplay the consequences of their own bullying (think Montague and the cabinet for a modern example). During Snape's memory, James was using Snape to get Lily's attention because she was a Prefect and was supposed to be going after rule breakers. Lupin and Black said that Lily only agreed to start dating James when she thought he stopped hexing people. Harry was able to get it out of Black and Lupin that James had continue to hex Snape even after he started dating Lily but failed to ask the obvious follow-up question as to whether there were others - so, as far as Snape saw, Lily was attracted to bullies, rather than a wizard who was kind, caring and gentle.

Black said in the shack in POA that he did not think that Peter was a DE because he was talentless and Hagrid also made a comment (I forget which book) that not anyone could become a DE - that Voldemort tended to choose only very skilled wizards and witches. Thus, a young Snape may have seen becoming a DE as a means of proving that the was a very skilled wizard - and worthy of Lily. The higher up Snape rose in the ranks, the more prestige he had, the more Lily would be impressed by him - he thought. I don't think that a hatred of muggle-borns was a motivating factor for Snape becoming a DE - and I don't think that he hated muggle-borns, though a case could be made that he wasn't very fond of muggles. Even their last exchange when he was trying to tell her that he was sorry for calling her a mudblood, he took it as Lily figuring that he was not good enough to become a DE rather than she was repulsed at the very idea of anybody wanting to be a DE. That is the only way what JKR said makes sense.

As far as the mudblood comment, James was using the fact that he rescued Snape, among other things, to humiliate Snape, and made some digs concerning Lily having to come to his rescue so Snape was very angry at Lily for participating in his humiliation and spouted the worst insult he could think of. At that moment, he was so angry at being humiliated that he wanted to hurt her back and I don't think that he ever stopped regretting his use of the word from that point onward. Vaudree (talk) 04:29, October 24, 2015 (UTC)]

--Vaudree (talk) 04:56, October 24, 2015 (UTC)--Vaudree (talk) 04:56, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Neville
Um, I'm just new here, really really new, but I was thinking....... I thought the reason Snape hated Neville was because Neville was another boy born "as the seventh months dies" to parents who had escaped Voldy three times- so he could've been the one Voldemort went after, thus preventing Lily's death.

Just a thought, but one I feel is important and should probably be added.


 * He never showed any unusual animosity towards Neville Longbottom (any more than he did towards any other Gryffindor). He pas particularly prejudiced against Harry due to his resemblance to James, whom Snape hated, and because Harry was a living reminder of the failures in his life; the actual prophecy had very little to do with it. In fact, it is possible that he was actually unaware that there was someone else besides "Lily's son" who fit the prophecy at that time; if he had, he would certainly have given up Neville's parent's in the Potter's place instead of pleading with You-Know-Who to spare Lily. Sings-With-Spirits 22:51, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * While I think it's conjecture to state that Snape might have hated Neville due to his possible place in the prophecy, I disagree that Snape didn't show unusual animosity towards Neville Longbottom. He picked on Neville with the same intensity as the trio. There are a number of examples in the Potions classroom as well as during Prisoner of Azkaban when Snape needlessly put down Neville in front of Lupin's Defense class, when he had a room full of Gryffindors to choose from. Dean and Seamus as well as Lavender and Parvati didn't get near the treatment that Neville, Ron, Hermione, and Harry got. Harry, obviously, was hated at first sight (as you said, Sings-With-Spirits) due to his resemblance to James and the hatred continued as Snape saw what he wanted and expected to see in Harry: a second James. Ron seemed to be punished due to his relationship with Harry, especially since he often tried to stand up for Harry. Hermione was treated badly when Snape seemed to think she was showing off and/or helping Neville. It could be argued that Snape despised Neville's lack of skill and/or confidence but I think it is also likely that Snape knew that Neville could have been the targeted child. It was Voldemort, after all, who picked Harry despite knowing there were two options. Snape may have tried to convince him to picked Neville, and Voldemort didn't listen to him because he felt a connection to half-blood Harry. However, even if Snape did not know it when Voldemort disappeared, he certainly could have found out between October 31, 1981 and September 1, 1991. Again, it's all conjecture so I'm not arguing that this should go on Snape's main page. But I do believe that Snape had strong animosity towards Neville and I think it's possible it has to do with his connection to the prophecy.Larkin21 (talk) 17:11, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Snape tends to pick on Neville more in later books than in earlier books. JKR mentioned ghost plots - mainly plots that were pruned because they were deemed to be too peripheral to the central plot. We know that Voldemort chose Peter because of his link to the Potters, but since you've started the speculation Larkin21, what if Peter was tied to both prophesy boys? After Harry overheard that Black had killed Peter, he looks in the album and Peter is said to resemble Neville. Later we are told that Neville resembles his mother Alice. Although Alice has big eyes and Peter has small eyes, they could be siblings - or so the Alice Pettigrew Longbottom theory goes. That Neville has an aunt Enid and there is an Enid Pettigrew in cannon adds credence to that theory. One would presume that Voldemort would want both boys dead, just to be sure, but, after he kills one, the security around the second one would be that much tighter, so Voldemort wanted to kill the one deemed the biggest threat first. Someone would have to be filling Voldemort in on the fact that Neville had showed no sign of magic while Harry had rode a toy broom. It could be that, because Neville looks a bit like Peter, who betrayed Lily, Snape is taking it out on Neville. It could also be that Snape is picking on Neville because he is trying to endear himself to the Malfoys and Draco starts to be more openly hostile towards Neville as the series goes on. (Vaudree (talk) 04:56, October 24, 2015 (UTC))

Font
i'm new here. my question is about the changed format of the page. the background is now black with blue font. it is extremely hard to read. why was this done? will it be changed back?


 * Hit the refresh button on your browser. Failing that, try another browser. While loading, I can see what you describe, but after loading the text is black font on white background. I'm using Firefox 3.6.18. Sings-With-Spirits 01:21, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the blue-on-black appearance is a general Wikia thing (I've seen it on other wikis); as the above reply says, it's caused by the wiki's stylesheet partially or otherwise incorrectly loading.


 * Certainly nobody with any sense would choose such a nearly-unreadable colour scheme; although wiki designers sadly sometimes don't have much sense; another wiki I won't name has links in yellow on light brown, likewise making the linktext nearly unreadable. -- RobertATfm (talk) 10:34, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Harry's Protection and Snape's Part In It..
The reason Harry Potter was able to survive the Killing Curse from Lord Voldemort was because Lily Potter gave her life for him by refusing to step aside. Well would she have ever had the opprotunity to if Snape had not asked Voldemort to spare her? She probably would have been killed instanly like James Potter and wouldn't have had the opprotunity to give up her life for Harry, right. So by extendtion the reason Harry lived was because Snape asked Voldemort to save her, right, or am I missing something big here?


 * No. The issue was that as a mother, she gave her life to protect her child; she was unaware of Snape's role in the entire affair and her reaction would have been the same had a Saber-Tooth Dragon had caught her (like Riddle did) wandless. Snape had nothing to do with it. Sings-With-Spirits 15:22, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, it was because of Severus. Many mothers probably begged Voldemort to not kill their child, but only Lily was given the chance to live. She was given the chance because of Severus, since he asked Voldemort to spare her. Yes, she was unaware of Severus' part, but that does not mean he did not have a part. Sev Lover Forever 18:08, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it was not. JKR herself said so. Dumbledore said so. It was Lily's sacrifice alone that protected Harry; Snape had nothing to do with it. Sings-With-Spirits 01:22, August 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * If Severus had not asked Voldemort to spare her, she would never have had the choice to scrafice herself. Voldemort would of killed her instantly like he did with James. That's the only reason why she was given the choice. You can find the part about James, along with a little about Lily, in Chapter 17 of DH; and the part about Severus asking Voldemort to spare Lily is in chapter 36 of DH. Sev Lover Forever 04:51, August 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, no. Sacrificing herself was not a choice she was given; it was the result of who she was. Voldemort did not kill her instantly because he might be trying to give one of his followers a pet, but her sacrifice would have been made even if he had tried to do it without pause. James was more instrumental in this than Snape; the small intermission he have Lily when he sacrificed himself was just the brief pause she needed to make the conscious decision to give her live in exchange for her child's safety, as any mother can understand. Snape's role in the sacrifice was, at the most, peripheral and at best minimally superfluous. In fact, it might be argued that Snape's decision to reveal to Riddle the incomplete prophecy was the one action that set the whole mess into motion; Lily's death was the direct result of Snape's actions. Sings-With-Spirits 21:51, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Those are two completly unrealated topics. Yes, Severus' report of the prophecy set things in motion. That has nothing to do with the situation. It is clearly in the books that Severus had a role in saving Harry. There was no reason for Voldemort to spare Lily otherwise, and throughout the books Voldemort says that she never had to fear for her life.


 * Quotes from the text:


 * "but your mother needn't have died..." - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter 17


 * "but as long as she was sensible, she, at least, had nothing to fear..." - Harry Potter and the Deatlhy Hallows, Chapter 17.


 * "he asked you to spare her life, didn't he?" - Harry Potter and the Deatlhy Hallows, Chapter 36. Voldemort goes on to agree.


 * Sev Lover Forever 01:33, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Here you are linking some completely unrelated things; the first part (HP:atSS Ch. 17) demonstrates Voldemort's point of view that if Lily (and the rest of the universe) simply bowed to his will, nothing bad would happen to them. At the time he was also desperately trying to get Harry to submit, so anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. This is reinforced in the second quote; SHE had nothing to fear, except watch her son be murdered; Voldemort was a sociopath with zero empathy for others, while Lily was a loving and devoted mother who would have sacrificed herself to protect her son regardless of the source of danger. Remember, her act was not some ritual that required a conscious decision to perform; this was ancient, primordial magic invoked by the mera act of willing it so; Voldemort came in, James confronted him (and died), giving Lily enough time to reach Harry and try to protect him: IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT HER DESIRE TO PROTECT HARRY PROTECTS HIM; had Voldemort not even said a word, Harry would still have been protected, thus Snape's role in saving Harry is not just negligible, but practically non-existent; saying that "...the reason Harry lived was because Snape asked Voldemort to save her..." is both rampant speculation and wishful thinking, with no basis in fact. The third quote was when Harry was explaining to Voldemort the power that protected him.


 * You like Snape. I get that from your username. Yes, he was a hero. Yes, he was instrumental in defeating Voldemort. Yes, he was a snappy dresser and Alan Rickman is very sexy. But Snape had next to no role in saving Harry. Period. You want to explore the possibility he did? Fanfic it to your heart's content, but it will still not make it true. Sings-With-Spirits 13:39, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is obvious that we're not going to be able to agree, and that we will be able to rebuttal each other until the end of time (and yes, I can say more). Frankly, I'm tired of discussing this - nothing has changed. I'm not going to be able to change your mind, and you will not change my mind. It's pointless.
 * Yes, I like Snape. While I think Alan is amazing as Severus, I'm one of the few people to have never found him sexy. He's just to old. Sev Lover Forever 20:05, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * My understanding of this is that Snape did affect the protection. In saying this I am not detracting from Lily's bravery or sacrifice or anything like that.
 * But consider this; if Voldemort hadn't had a conversation with Snape then he would simply have killed Lily on the spot. Even if she had had the chance to beg for him to take her instead of Harry, one would think that people surviving the killing curse would be far more common, or at least a known phenomenon if the requirements were so easy to fulfill.
 * As it is, Snape and Voldemort unintentionally enter into a verbal contract (which obviously has some basis in ye olde magick) which dictates that Voldemort must spare Lily's life. Voldemort doesn't realise this is actually binding, no one does, but the laws of ye olde magick have spoken (there is obviously no ritual etc just a sort of 'I give you my word' kind of thing, it's hinted that the laws of life and death are more strict about these things than betrayal etc which allows you to lie, this life/death power is what makes it an old magic).
 * As such he hesitates and tells Lily to step aside. Sings-with-spirits, you are right that this is unimportant, he could have stayed silent and not made any difference. But his hesitation meant that Lily was able to propose an alteration to the terms of the contract that already existed. She had no idea that was what she was doing, she was just being a mother and throwing herself between her child and whatever it was that wanted to hurt him.
 * Her proposition is "take me instead of him" and Voldemort does. His killing her is taken as an acceptance of the terms and now he has to spare a life and that life has to be Harry's.
 * In short, no Snape = no contract = no olde magicke = dead Harry.
 * In addition (I apologise for length), this is also shown in Deathly Hallows when Voldemort can't hurt any of the fighters after Harry has 'died'.
 * He asks for Harry to come to the Forrest saying "Give me Harry Potter, and they shall not be harmed. Give me Harry Potter and I shall leave the school untouched. Give me Harry Potter and you will be rewarded. You have until midnight."
 * This is another contract of the same sort. The fact that Voldemort is given Harry and kills him means that he is bound by it in the same way. Had he not said this and Harry had merely gotten himself killed by Voldemort because that's what Dumbledore told him to do, then Voldemort could have killed the survivors left right and centre.
 * In the same way if everyone he offered to spare had come up to him and said "kill us instead of Harry" and he had then it would have been a replay of Godric's Hollow and Harry would have been under protection again. If he'd never offered to spare their lives and they said the same thing, it wouldn't have worked, no matter how much they desired it. 78.147.104.175 03:02, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter. Intentions should be taken into account. Snape didn't want Harry to survive, he wanted Lily to. Therefore, this should not be added to the page otherwise we would have to put on Wormtail's page, "If it weren't for Wormtail there would be no boy who lived.
 * And there is no way this and when he went after the survivors of thte battle of Hogwarts was the only time Voldemort broke a promise.
 * And there is no way this and when he went after the survivors of thte battle of Hogwarts was the only time Voldemort broke a promise.


 * I realize this is a very old conversation but I must agree with Sev Lover Forever. It seems clear that James would have died for Harry if he was given the choice but Voldemort did not give James a choice because no one asked for James to be spared. James was simply another death and without the choice to live or die, his death did not lead to any protections over his loved ones. Snape asked for Lily to be spared, so Voldemort did not intend to kill her. He gave her the choice, to live and allow him to get to Harry or to die in an attempt to protect Harry. She choose death, as many parents likely would do. She was brave and courageous and the strong love was all the magic needed to protect Harry. However, it was only because she was given the choice that she could provide such protection and it was only because Snape asked her to be spared that Voldemort gave her the choice.


 * The argument made by 78.147.104.175 was very appropriate and the unnamed responder is ignoring canon from the book when s/he suggests this was simply an example of a broken promise. Harry's attempt to sacrifice himself to protect everyone at Hogwarts worked. Of course Voldemort has lied before but this type of love sacrifice is something that Voldemort did not understand, and continued to not appreciate even after it (literally) backfired on him in 1981. Harry explains it to him during their final dual:


 * "You won't be killing anyone else tonight," said Harry as they circled, and stared into each other's eyes, green into red. "You won't be able to kill any of them ever again. Don't you get it? I was ready to die to stop you from hurting these people --"
 * "But you did not!"
 * "--I meant to, and that's what did it. I've done what my mother did. They're protected from you. Haven't you noticed how none of the spells you put on them are binding? You can't torture them. You can't touch them. You don't learn from your mistakes, Riddle, do you?" (p. 738, US edition of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows).


 * It does not matter that Snape did not intend to protect Harry by asking for Lily's life to be spared any more than it matters that Voldemort did not intend to protect the people at Hogwarts when he asked for Harry's life in exchange for sparing theirs. By giving Lily the choice on that Halloween night and Harry the choice in the final battle, their love sacrifice protected those they tried to sacrifice for. Had they not been given the choice, their deaths would not have led to any protections, just as James' death did not protect his loved ones. Larkin21 (talk) 01:36, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Most hated/most adored
That Snape went from the 'most hated' to the 'most adored' character after book six and seven is VERY subjective. Shouldn't this be deleted?88.83.95.174 08:54, August 13, 2011 (UTC)Christina


 * I think you could keep this. I don't know if you could offically say that he was "the most hated charcater" (even though a majority of readers were very upset with Dumbledore's death). But I do think you could say he was the most adored at the end of book 7. One beacause of his back story and two because in a 2011 MTV poll Severus Snape did win overall favorite character of all the books. Alan Rickman was given the award at the NYC Premire of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2.


 * As the other user mentioned, the way it was worded was much too subjective, and it lacked proper references, so it was removed. Saying that the character or actor won a certain award (with a supporting reference) is a bit different, and would be appropriate. - <font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="FF8000">Nick O'Demus 18:47, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm new to the site and have the least bit of knowledge on how to add refrences or anything of this sort. It world be greatly appreciated if someone could post on this. Personally I think it would be a great bit of information on add to the Behind the Scenes section. I know that there is infomation to back this up and it could easily be found on the MTV website, by Googling it, or finding a Youtube visd Video. All of which I've done, just, once again, I have no idea how to add the refernce. [ [] , [] ]