Talk:Tom Riddle


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Archive
I took the liberty to archive the page. It was getting pretty long. 20:06, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Good job, Ratneer.--Station7 20:12, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Erm, could we get a citation for voldie being trapped in limbo forever?


 * ✅. - Nick O'Demus 15:56, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

New main image
{{archive Voting will remain open until 12:00 (wiki time) on July 9th.
 * result=New image DH is the winner
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New image DH (+7)

 * 1) Pol 871 19:32, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Jayden Matthews 22:19, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) El Profeta Vespertino 11:57, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) --Rodolphus 12:01, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) ★ S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!) 14:51, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) --  Seth Cooper  owl post!  18:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Harry granger 18:42, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
What do you think this new image (New image OotP)? I think best represents the character, rather than the current one in which appear the three toms and may confuse visitors.Pol 871 18:41, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we need to be looking at a Deathly Hallows image. Maybe this one (New image DH)? Jayden Matthews 15:08, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, i think, that a HBP-picture of Tom Riddle would be preferable. Why not this one (Young Riddle Image)?
 * Because it doesn´t show his most recent appearance. The picture on the left seems acceptable to me.--Rodolphus 14:49, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would a picture of him at the age of sixteen be preferable to a picture of him at his current age of seventy one? Jayden Matthews 15:08, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinopn, it isn´t.--Rodolphus 15:18, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Jayden Matthews 15:53, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should put the Deathly Hallows image as it is chronologically the last (actually I guess he is in his last minutes). --El Profeta Vespertino 12:50, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that this image is the best (New image DH).Pol 871 19:32, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Without a doubt. Jayden Matthews 22:19, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * When voting closes?Pol 871 14:58, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

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Etymology
The etymology section should be re-ordered. The long paragraph in which all of the various possibilities are discussed is fascinating, but since all of the evidence points to the name simply being the French, "Flight from death", this should be the first suggestion. Azraphon 06:36, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Flight OF death. Not FROM death

Also, "Tom Marvolo Riddle" is an anagram for "I am Lord Voldemort." Tom demonstrates this in Chamber of Secrets.

Years of death and born
Since Hagrid was expailed from school because of Tom Riddle and Hagrid is born in the 1940's so Riddle can't be born in 1926.

Secoundly Tom ain't 72 when in dies in 1997.. But only around 50


 * Actually, Hagrid was expelled in 1942 ("fifty years ago" in 1992), not born then. In 1942 he was thirteen, so Hagrid was born in 1929. Riddle was three years older than him, so he was born in 1926. --Parodist 15:48, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Hagrid was born in 1928, but his birthday was before riddle opened the chamber Slyhades99 18:28, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Behind the scenes
Why isn't Ralph Fiennes mentioned? He did play Voldemort in the most films. I think Richard Bremmer deserves a mention, too.

eyes
in the fourth film, when voldemort opens his eyes after turning human, he does have snake eyes before quickly turning normal. this is said on wikipedia as well, we should put on the article. 16:34, july 30th, 2010.

can someone please agree with me, because I want some support behind this before I put it on the page. --- 15:26, august 5th, 2010.
 * Compleatly correct, voldemort's eyes are really red, slited eyes. but in the movie adaptation they made the mistake of making eyes more human.

17
He was seventeen when he opened the Chamber of Secrets.


 * No he wasn't. He was born on 31 December 1926. As the attacks were sometime before June 13, 1943, he was at the time a 16-year-old, some six months away from his 17th birthday. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 19:54, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why did the 16-year-old Tom Riddle in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince not looks like the 16-year-old Tom Riddle in the memory in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, then??


 * Because they were played by different actors. Christian Coulson, the actor who played Riddle in Chamber of Secrets was 31 years-old at the time they shot Half-Blood Prince. As such, they hired the younger Frank Dillane to play the part. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 21:27, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

But why did they not make him looks like the first Tom Riddle. Albus Dumbledore in his OLD time was also played by two different actors. But Dumbledore 1 and Dumbledore 2 looks like each other.


 * Because they couldn't. There are two much facial/physical differences to the two actors. Either way, this does not prove or disprove anything, because the books say he was 16 and not 17. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 22:01, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but he is 17. He was born 1926, and opened the Chamber of Secrets in 1943. If you looks at a calculator, and say 26 + 17 = 43, if you say 26 + 16 it is = 42.


 * He was born on New Years Eve. He didn't turn 17 until Dec. 31st, 1943. 70.242.114.248 09:02, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did some research on here and looked up tom, he was b. 1926 and i looked up 1940's and itr said the chamber was opened in 1942. he was sixteen. you dont believe me, look up tom, 1940s and use a calculator. Slyhades99 12:04, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wands
If the Elder wand is going to be listed as one Voldemort's wands, despite it never "choosing" him, shouldn't Lucius Malfoy's wand be listed there as well? --EmmyG 11:58, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. All of the wands used by Tom Riddle should be there but we have to know they were only used.

Yeah...but once he use it ( since Riddle is a more powerful wizard ) it broke cause the wand was too weak for his powers. Speedysnitch 13:39, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was because Harry's wand shot that "golden fire" stuff at it and it broke? I don't think it was because Voldemort was too awesomely awesome to use such a noob wand (though it's not impossible, since Voldemort IS awesomely awesome and Lucius Malfoy is a noob ;D). AlastorMoody 21:58, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Theo Kypri
Hi, I have a question. There is an article about Theo Kypri where it is said that he made a stunt for Voldemort. When I open the source: [] There you can see Voldemort in the scene with the dead unicorn in the Forbidden Forest. I think this photo would be useful for the Voldemort site. What would you think about this suggestion? Harry granger 19:46, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Timelines, Albus, Tom, James
headboys in school are changed every year. beeing a 7th year student. and according to the article that head boy before tom riddle, was albus dumbledore. witch is compleately incorrect. cause dumbledore was headboy atleaset 50 years ago.

Spike


 * That's why the Succession Box says "Unknown" and "Eventually". Dumbledore was the last known Head Boy before Riddle, and James was the last known Head Boy after him. Those who came between have not yet been identified. - <font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="FF8000">Nick O'Demus 09:07, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Editing page
Joseph Laforest 22:02, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Intellect
Do you think we could add something about his intellect? It seems that Dumbledore, Grindelwald, and even Hermione have intellect mentioned under their abilities. It seems to me that Voldemort is on a level with Dumbledore and Grindelwald, who both have genius-level intellects.

I like this idea. Voldemort should be given credit for his intelligence as well. He is not just highly intelligent, he is genius.

James Potter's classmate?
hey I wonder if tom riddle went to howwarts with james potter


 * They weren't classmates: Riddle attended Hogwarts from 1938 to 1945 and James from 1971 to 1978. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 17:59, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * If they were classmates they probably be worst enemies with him and snape cause they are both slytherin and snape use to be an death eater so....yeah Speedysnitch 02:16, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * If they were classmates they probably be worst enemies with him and snape cause they are both slytherin and snape use to be an death eater so....yeah Speedysnitch 02:16, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * If they were classmates they probably be worst enemies with him and snape cause they are both slytherin and snape use to be an death eater so....yeah Speedysnitch 02:16, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Voldemort's "Also known as."
* Lord Voldemort [1] * Voldemort * You-Know-Who [2] * Thomas Marvolo Riddle Jr. [3] * He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named [4] * The Dark Lord[5] * Lord Thingy [6] * Lord Thing * Lord Voldything * Master * Your Lordship[7] * Chief Death Eater * Heir of Slytherin [8] * Voldy [9] * Voltapolt (Sirius Black said)

I honestly think we can do without

- Lord Thingy - Lord Thing - Lord Voldything - Chief Death Eater

I think Harry's uncle said Lord Thingy, Lord Thing or Lord Voldything, forgot.... Speedysnitch 01:13, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

age???
any idea as to what was voldemorts age before he was completely killed? Jin kazama7 07:55, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The infobox says 71. But if you mean when he lost power on 10/31/1981 than he was (about) 54 years old. --KiumaruHamachi 11:24, April 19, 2011 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Man, he is flippen old, 71 he could of die out... looks like he is....40..nooo...I don't really know, what age do you think he looks like? Speedysnitch 01:16, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lede description of Tom Sr.
In the lede, Tom Sr. is described as "a wealthy Muggle who abandoned his wife," which I find problematic. I think Tom Sr.'s actions need to be considered in the context of what Merope did to him: drugged him with Love Potion and him forced to enter into a marriage, and, obviously (from Tom Jr.'s existence), to consummate it. Tom Sr. was a victim, and, from his perspective, leaving Merope must have been simply getting away from the person who'd harmed him, not abandoning his wife and shirking the responsibilities of impending fatherhood. <font color="Green">★ <font face="Times" color="green">S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 09:34, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think Starstuff is right. Without that background he is a scoundrel, with that background he is a victim. I think Merope didn't thought of that, didn't feel so, because she loved him, but it fatally remembers me of stalker and - sorry - yes - also of rape, but in this case to a man instead a woman. Harry granger 18:51, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

It says on the DH part 1 page that Christian Coulson (the guy from COS) is in a flashback in the seventh movie. does anyone know what/when it is?````jpc

Christian Coulson in DH Part 1?
It says on the DH part 1 page that Christian Coulson (the guy from COS) is in a flashback in the seventh movie. does anyone know what/when it is?67.253.254.189 04:31, May 14, 2011 (UTC)jpc

I'm not sure when exactly, but probably during dreams or visions of Voldemort that Harry has. You can only see the light bursting through him as Harry destroys the diary Horcrux.

Incorrect date
This article claims that Voldemort applied for the Defense Against the Dark Arts job on the 10th of November 1971. This simply cannot be true. Dumbledore says that Voldemort applied for the job 10 years after he murdered Hepzibah Smith. He murdered her when he was 18, which would make him roughly 28 (depending on the date) at the time of his application. He graduated from Hogwarts in 1945, so as you can see, these dates simply don't match up. And as the article is protected, someone else will have to fix it. 86.166.43.107 18:13, May 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Born - December 31, 1926
 * Started Hogwarts - September 1 1938 (age 12)
 * Opened the Chamber of Secrets - 1942 (age 16)
 * Came of Age - December 31, 1943 (age 17)
 * Graduated from Hogwarts - Summer, 1945 (age 18)
 * Murdered Hepzibah Smith, 1945 (age 18)
 * Applied for the DATDA job - Winter, 1955 (age 28)


 * Well one thing is absolutely certain and that is that he can not have applied for the job in 28/29 and he can not have murdered Hepzibah smith in 18/19 because it just can't. If he did, he would have been older than 90 years when he died and that is not correct so I think you are definitely right. —German eagle logo.Png <font face="Vivaldi" size="4" color="Black"> Firefox1095 German eagle logo.Png— 22:15, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. He applied for the job when we was 28 years old in 1955. Not in 1971 as the article claims. 86.166.43.107 09:06, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody please fix this. I can't as the article is protected. 86.166.43.107 10:07, May 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * You have a point. I removed it. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 15:53, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

OWL/NEWT Score?
Okay, I am not sure about this one, but I seem to remember that in the Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, when Hermione researched about a boy named Tom Marvolo Riddle, there was mentioning about his brief history in Hogwarts. I seem to remember her mentioning his OWL score, though it never mentions which subjects. I remember Ronald Weasley saying that he is just like Percy and Hermione was a bit hurt by that... ..And there is no mention of Tom Riddle's OWL/NEWT score in the article, it seems. Can anyone check this out?

I am unsure whether it actually mentioned the results, or just said that he probably got a lot because he was headboy and got special award for the service to school, and I can't check it now because my cousin borrowed my copy and went aboard for vacation... 114.79.52.55 04:30, May 29, 2011 (UTC)Kainey

Etymology
It's written that Vol De Mort means Flight From Death. It's incorrect, because it's the translator took the litteral wording without considering french gramatical structure. Vol De Mort would correctly mean Flight OF death, not FROM death

Hair
What happened to Voldemort's hair? (Just asking)

Shaved it. I am the God of Pokemon!!!!!! 03:46, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Does Possession Make you Look Like the Thing You Possess??
I was just a-thinkin', does possessing people make you look like the person you possessed? Because when the Dark Lord was possessing Quirrell, he was the same colour of Quirrell's skin, plus he had a nose! He looked human. However, when Voldemort was possessing snakes in the Albanian forest, the last thing he had possessed were snakes, therefore he now looks like a snake. Am i right??

I don't think he had a nose when he was inside Quirrell. He had one in the film, but he may or may not have had one in the book; plus, this was before he was reborn and before he was in his rudementary body. As for the snake thing, as far as I know, he looks like a snake because Nagini's venom was part of the rudimentary potion that he took to get his body, and he was fed the venom after it was milked while in that body. AlastorMoody 05:48, July 19, 2011 (UTC)AlastorMoody

Common name
Okay, now I know that this site isn't Wikipedia, but I think that the philosophy of Wikipedia:WP:COMMONNAME is pretty valid, at least in this case. No one calls Voldemort Tom Riddle anymore. Sure, he may not have gone into a court and had his name changed legally (at least not to my knowledge), but it's a different name nevertheless. Proposal: Move Tom Riddle to Voldemort. 01:06, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, just because I know I'll be getting these arguments later, I'll present these counterarguments now:
 * Just because one guy in the world calls Voldemort Tom from time to time does not mean that that's how he should be known by that name everywhere. Just like how the title for Harry Potter isn't Barry Weasley.
 * Just because Rowling says "Tom Riddle hit the floor..." at the end of Deathly Hallows does not mean that that is the name he went by at the time of his death. That would be taking it far too literally. 01:18, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

None of this changes the fact that his name is Tom Riddle. Most people don't call him Voldemort anyway. Most people call him You Know Who or He Who Must Not Be Named, but I assume that you wouldn't suggest that we move the page to one of those names.Icecreamdif 05:58, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * True, it doesn't change the fact that Tom Riddle is his given name. But once again... Wikipedia:WP:COMMONNAME. 18:34, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Icecreamdif's argument is pretty convincing. Even if we were to follow the Wikipedia "Common Name" guideline, "Voldemort" is hardly Riddle's "common name" among British wizardkind. And to change the article title to "He Who Must Not Be Named" is, frankly, ludicrous. I'm for keeping the article title as it is. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 19:07, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * One more thing - we almost never refer to Voldemort as "Tom Riddle" on this wiki. Just look at this page. He is alnost always referred to as Voldemort. Do you suggest changing this, too? 15:52, July 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily, he can be referred to by whichever name, although "Voldemort", "Lord Voldemort" and "Tom Riddle" are usually preferred. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 16:04, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Top Quote
I have yet to read the book of Deathley Hallows but a friend told me that the quote featured at the top of this page was indeed said by Voldemort in the text, or maybe it was something similar. In any case I have reason to believe this was not just from Part 2 and should not be sourced from that film as thus. Unless, of course, we have to change the quote to whatever it actually is in the book? Otherwise I'd think we just list the book as the source. Forgive me if I'm at all mistaken. -- Mateo22 Avada_Kedavra.jpg Contact 06:53, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

I recently read the book and Voldemort, as far as I can remember, does not say anything about how only he can live forever. AlastorMoody 05:51, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Tom Riddle/Thomas Riddell
It says that the inspiration for Tom Riddle comes from a man buried in Greyfriars named Tom Riddle. This man's name is actually Thomas Riddell so it should be updated to that.

Lord Voldemort & Lord Vader
Are Tom Riddle/Lord Voldemort and Anakin Skywalker/Lord Vader compareable?

Tom Riddle, at a very young age, was "found" by Dumbledore as Anakin was found by Qui Gon Jinn, in almost the same age. They both grew in life to superior beings, but also were very talented as kids. And both became evil Lords, BECAUSE of "Love": Tom Riddle couldn't love, what caused him to become the Dark Lord; Anakin wasn't allowed to love, but he did love, what caused him to the Dark Side. And their both "masters" (Dumbledore; Obi Wan Kenobi) were "killed" (indirectly) by their former apprentices, furthermore their masters sacrificied themselves.

Maybe there is another point: they both were "reborn", in some way at least. And even more: what causes them to almost die, is that they had a "vision" (Padmé dying) or "prophicy" (the One Boy).

Finally both were overcome by even stronger, good sided, beings, indirectly: Lord Voldemort "killed himself", Lord Vader was killed through the Imperator.

PS: both were ugly as hell.

Tom Riddle Jr.?
I know that Voldemort's father was named Tom Riddle, and his name on his page says Tom Riddle Sr., and so he must be a senior of someone (Voldemort, whose name is Tom Riddle). Does this mean that Voldemort is a junior, even though the article doesn't say it? Just want this cleared up, it's a bit confusing since his father is senior and his son who has the same name isn't junior. AlastorMoody 22:02, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Image change
I honestly don't think we need to change the image, but for some reason I think we could vote to change it. I like the current image, but to me it doesn't have that pizzazz that is Lord Voldemort needed for the main image. Just so I can try and contribute, I thought I'd put in my own candidate for the infobox image.

If someone would like to put in their own candidates, feel free. :) --Black Pearl, HMS Interceptor, Queen Anne's Revenge 02:42, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

The third one (image 2) is absolutely awesome, way better than the two option... Change it to that! . :) -- ImperiexSeed, 10:50 PM, August 4th 2011

I like the middle one (image 1). Not sure, but I do think it's time for a new one... a better one. AlastorMoody 02:59, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

See Forum:Post-DH2 infobox images - <font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="FF8000">Nick O'Demus 14:58, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

The Elder wand was never Voldemort's!!!
The Elder wand was never actually Voldemort's, because Draco Malfoy dis-armed dumble door the elder wand became his thus, the wand was never Severus Snape's thefore Voldemort killing Snape meant the wand still didn't become his, it was actually Harry's Wand after he dis armed draco

I think we have come to that conclusion.... AlastorMoody 03:00, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

The translation for Voldemort Den Store would be Voldemort The Great, not Voldemort The Fantastic. If he was called Voldemort The Fantastic in Norwegian, it would be Voldemort Den Fantastiske. Regards, TardirProductions 15:48, August 19, 2011 (UTC)