Talk:Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery

If this is set in the 1980's...
Anyone hoping to see some colorful new characters occupy the position of DADA teacher throughout different times in the game? Ninclow (talk) 07:38, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Naming issue
Hi. So, I noticed a little problem here. They are two male Gryffindor students named Lincoln Parker. And they're both in their first year in 1984... Not sure how we are supposed to go with a page in this situation? Unless we pretend one of them is a mistake? Lady Junky 10:10, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Are they both in the game? Where are you up to in playing it? There's a student from the game in Gryffindor named Lincoln Nguyen. Perhaps the game when in Beta mode noticed the mistake and corrected it? - Kates39 (talk) 10:16, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * They are a looooooooot of students with similar first or last names. But so far, they're the only ones with the same first and last name. I did all male Gryffindor students so far. I think I'm on Chapter 6 or 7? All students are listed in the "Leaderboard" list from the House points screen :) Not sure they're prolly just NPC, but still... Lady Junky 10:24, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm on chapter 5 I think, but "Lincoln Parker" is not on my Leaderboard, not even once. Glitch? I'll check again when I reach the next two chapters. -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 10:32, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm on the same chapter, and I went through my leaderboard and noticed a few other characters where there are more than one with the same name. However, I haven't found two Lincoln Parker's yet. Maybe it's randomised? If that's the case, I don't know whether it worth making pages for characters who appear to have no importance in the actual game-playing. There are hundreds of random names. - Kates39 (talk) 10:39, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * If it is randomised, then it changes everything. We have to delete the pages I create and then put a note on the game page for the future. Lady Junky 10:57, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * I will try and investigate whether it's randomised and go through chapter 6 and chapter 7. If there's no Lincoln Parker then it's certainly the case. However given the fact there are hundreds of identical names anyway, I would hold off on making pages for them. Perhaps an admin can provide an opinion on how to deal with the problem. - Kates39 (talk) 12:25, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Just curious; what're the names of the top 5 students on both of your Leaderboards? It's gonna sound silly; but initially, I honestly thought that, besides the canon characters and friend potentials, other names are actual players lmao. I thought some of the names were repetitive (first name and last name in different combinations) due to people just choosing "Random." Of course, that concept now felt a bit moronic. I do wonder why the game developer couldn't have spent more time picking and sticking with the names of those other students though... What is the point of having a bunch of randomly generated characters filling the Leaderboard?

Also, IDK if this makes the situation slightly better, of if it's necessary; but perhaps changing Lincoln Nguyen to just "Nguyen," and state that it's one of the randomized last name of the game? I have a "Casey Nguyen" (Gryffindor 4th year female) at the moment, but I swear I've seen more than one student with that last name at one point. Not seeing "Lincoln Nguyen" though. =/ Last names with most appearances for me are "Morris," "Hernandez," "Miller," "Reed," "Young"... actually, a lot more lmao, but comparing to the likes of Morris and Miller; Nguyen, Hernandez and Young stuck out more to me cuz they are less of English origin.

P.S.: I was wrong, apparently I was already at ch. 6 when I first joined this discussion, and nope, Lincoln Parkers for me.-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 19:17, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * I have no Casey's on my leaderboard. I have a Hunter Nguyen. There's a lot of Hunter's! I don't think it's worth a page saying Nguyen is a surname of people in the game. Kind of a pointless page. Perhaps a note in Behind the Scenes would be better, saying the leaderboard appears to be random names and note a few of the popular ones. I know that when you randomise your character name rather than type your own, a lot of those names pop up too. They appear to simply be default names rather than anything of merit.


 * My top five names are Charlotte Ross, Evelyn Cruz, Ava Robinson, Charlotte Walker and Sebastian Carter and every one of them are in Slytherin. If you have the same, then it complicates it further because from a certain point in the leaderboard the names become different for everyone. - Kates39 (talk) 19:34, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Dang, thanks for the confirmation! Though I kinda think perhaps once a set of those name were generated, they probably stayed the same to the individual player they were generated for, which would explain why User:Lady Junky's been seeing the same characters enough to raise the question. I'm saying this, because while I obviously didn't feel the need to memorize all the 290 names on my Leaderboard, besides the confirmed characters, I did notice a few that's been there since I started the game. Still think the game developer wasted the opportunity for canon material though =P. My top 5, sans myself (knew it was too good to be true to get this place!), are also all Slytherins, in second place is actually one of the confirmed character, Barnaby Lee. The rest are Ellie Roberts, Addison Morris, and Isabella Hernandez.-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 20:01, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * I will add a note to the Behind the Scenes section about the randomised names and remove Lincoln Nguyen from the character section which should be reserved only for the important characters who play a part in the game-playing. I will leave it up to an admin to decide whether to delete the pages for characters found only on the leaderboard, who are randomised and won't exist on the leaderboard of players other than User:Lady Junky. - Kates39 (talk) 20:32, April 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * OMG... I really hope the developers can do something about this; idk if the leaderboard is indicating there's only 290 students in Hogwarts, or just the 290 that made it onto the board, but I find it hilarious that, I'm seeing all the "potential" friends' (and one bully's) name on the board, but not even one of the Prefects'? A gigantic oversight imo. -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 20:56, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

Ways to earn Energy
Hey there! I accidentally found some ways to earn energy (which I wasn't expecting to;) I feel like it'd be useful for players to know, but am not sure how to incorporate it into the article. So far:
 * "East Towers," when the portrait similar to Girl with Flowers on the left of the "Charms Classroom" is empty, click on it and you'd get energy.
 * "West Towers," when the painting that contains (seemingly) 3 oranges and some white flowers on the left of the "Prefects' Bathroom" is without the 3 oranges, click on it and you'd get energy.
 * This one for me is the most frequently available.
 * Also, not sure if I was imagining this, but I thought clicking on the landscape painting on the left of "Dumbledore's Office" can earn as well? (most likely imagining)
 * "Lower Floor - West,"
 * The fire thingy (no idea what they are called) on the right of the entry of the "Great Hall," when it is without fire, click on it and you'd get energy.
 * The suit of armours*3 on the wall on the right of the entry of the "Great Hall," when the objects they hold are "sword, sword, shield," click at least the middle one and the middle and the right one would switch what they are holding and you'd get energy.
 * "Dungeons," as mentioned in Unidentified house-elf near the Hogwarts kitchens.
 * Also, not sure if I was imagining this, but I thought clicking on the torch on the left of Hufflepuff Common Room can earn as well. (most likely imagining)
 * "Castle Grounds," on the right of the Whomping Willow, there'd be a twig, if you touch it, Fang would come pick it out and you'd get energy.

Those are the ones I've discovered so far. Not sure the length of the cycle for them to become available again after clicking them.-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 21:28, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Great, i don’t know if you can put it on the article :P  TheSonofCharlusPotter   Talk    Contribs  05:15, April 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * I think the info definitely can be put into the article, just the matter of how, which is why I'm asking for suggestion for solutions lol.-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 05:31, April 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * The info can definitely be placed in the article. I was thinking the same and I had an idea of how to incorporate them. I was going to add a section about the actual game-playing including diamonds, coins and of course, energy and I wrote my findings in another document. I will begin adding that section and then you could add your findings to it too. - Kates39 (talk) 10:01, April 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the actual game play would be nice. Also, found this article: http://www.newsweek.com/harry-potter-hogwarts-mystery-cheats-energy-secrets-how-get-free-tricks-guide-904120 not sure if it covers ALL the ways to gain energy though. I was actually trying to find if there's any documentation of the chapter names on the Net when I came across it. lol-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 10:10, April 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the previous typos (fixed, I hope lol.) The above article, while useful, I wouldn't view it as absolute accurate (with the fact that Fang was simply described as a dog, like a random dog!) In the article on this wiki, I've changed the wording for the orang/Sunkist/tangerine painting; I'm going to sound really obnoxious and will be proving myself a fool if I were wrong, but I'm still going to say it; IDK why the article has this "tree trunk" thing going on; it looks like a cloth, which is common in still-life paintings. The suits of armour option, like the rest, needs to be under specific circumstances for it to work; and the regenerating time seemed to be different from the torch, and since they are two separate options, separating the bullet points. I rephrased things such as "reappear" and "relit" instead of simply "appear" and "lit," because I'm pretty sure when the game first started, they were all visible. -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 15:22, April 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * Looks like my message on your talk page coincided with your post here! I wanted to clarify the tree trunk thing. I looked through several walkthrough guides and they saw the same thing I saw - it's a tree truck (or even branch) with leaves coming out the side of it with white flowers in the middle. When clicked on, three oranges then appear. I don't think it looks anything like a cloth tbh! Perhaps another user can weigh in? - Kates39 (talk) 15:38, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Chapters 7&8
Unsure if it's same for everyone: -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 16:10, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * ch. 7, upon completion, I unlocked Penny Haywood as a friend.
 * At the beginning of ch. 8, someone asked if my player is interested in joining an unauthorised duelling club, while emphasising they aren't confirming whether or not the said club exist.

House Cup
I kind of realized in horror about something.... So, 1991–1992 school year is Harry's first year while our years in Hogwarts would be Meaning, should the player survive all school years, unlike certain unfortunate souls in canon, we'd make out the year right before Harry started his; NOW, here's the concern: At the end of PS undefined, had Dumbledore not awarded those additional points to Gryffindor; Slytherin would have won 7th times in a row. I didn't realize this was even already documented on the House Cup article... So, in canon, our 2nd-7th year, Slytherin won each time. IDK, I'm just like... since my character isn't in Slytherin, I'd want my house to win, but at the same time if that happened during 2nd-7th year, it would go against canon; not that it would be that big of a deal. I'm hoping in this sense, the developer won't be strict with canon and rig the game for the player not being able to win the house cup were they not Slytherins.
 * 1st year: 1984–1985 school year
 * 2nd year: 1985–1986 school year
 * 3rd year: 1986–1987 school year
 * 4th year: 1987–1988 school year
 * 5th year: 1988–1989 school year
 * 6th year: 1989–1990 school year
 * 7th year: 1990–1991 school year

(That being said, at this point I somewhat think the concept of the House Cup is almost bogus for the game... Currently my character earned 120pts, and is in 1st place, while the person ranked #2 has 75pts, YET, my House is in 4th place!!!! WTH! Like, what more can I do when I have no control over the other 289 names on the board!)

Anyone has thoughts about this issue? -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 16:51, April 29, 2018 (UTC)


 * I never thought of that one! And strangely enough, my House is in 4th place as well and remained in that place for the entire game. Slytherin are in 1st place. Are they in 1st place for you? Since I have not completed an entire year yet, I don't know whether it's possible that another House other than Slytherin can win. But since 100 Gems are on offer, it would be unfair for players of the game to simply never win for 6 school years because they aren't in Slytherin. It would be interesting to find out whether Slytherin players are in 4th place too.


 * But then the entire Leaderboard's randomised. Perhaps because of contradictions and the fact that it's kind of randomised and different for every player, we should ignore who actually wins the House Cup every year for each player. It cannot be canon? - Kates39 (talk) 17:03, April 29, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, I supposed this actually proves the game isn't rigged for certain outcome. My House hasn't always been at the bottom, I think I've seen it in all positions, in fact. I'm just annoyed that it seemed to be out of the player's control overall. If my points are negative like some on my version of the Leaderboard, then I'd probably feel the position being more relevant, but that is not what's happening. I guess I'm just experiencing the scenario of "making up for what other students lost." lol And no, weirdly enough, while 7 Slytherins takes top 10 on my version, their House is actually in 3rd place. I bet that were those bots real people, they'd be groaning like me for the outcome. xP
 * -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 17:29, April 29, 2018 (UTC)


 * I think that's the annoying thing about it for me too. How does the Leaderboard actually work? The entire Leaderboard's completely random - the players, the House they are placed in, how many points the others players are awarded and where each House are placed in the overall ranking. I am very curious about how it will change for me throughout year one and where everyone ends up at the end of the year. But I don't think every player appears to have the same fair chance at winning because it's totally random. Maybe Dumbledore awards the player points for a heroic action at the end, like Harry and co at the end of book one? Time will tell! - Kates39 (talk) 17:39, April 29, 2018 (UTC)


 * OMG! Dumbledore awarding extra points did annoy me (feels like favoritism to me, then again, I supposed it could be justified with the way Prof. Snape docked points,) but in this case, I'll totally welcome it! I want my gems! lol -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 20:06, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Questions encountered during the game
While I don't think it needs to like its own article like patronus quiz does, since it's a collection of many questions, but I think it could be useful for people to anticipate them? I've found sites with questions I've yet to get, and they seemed to not have gotten the ones I have! And then mostly just the same ones as the second link from other sources.
 * https://www.vg247.com/2018/04/26/harry-potter-hogwarts-mystery-cheats-every-lesson-question-answer/
 * Provides 4 Q&As, along with 11 results of actions taking during 3 side-quests.
 * I've not read the comments, most likely have more input, above is what the article itself provides.
 * http://www.gamersheroes.com/game-guides/harry-potter-hogwarts-mystery-social-questions-guide/
 * 13 Q&As

The most recent, and bizarre question I got, was asking what of Hooch's distinguish feature is yellow lmao. Don't remember how it was phrased, but I thought it was not only personal, but not remotely educational. It was entertaining though lol. Thoughts? -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 20:06, April 29, 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's worth a section on the page with every piece of trivia asked by the game. I think we're trying to go into far too much detail about every single thing. The trivia can be very bizarre and un-noteworthy, and not educational or of much importance to the actual game-playing. I don't think it will improve the page. The funny thing about the Hooch one, was that in my game, Hooch was asking it, talking in third person and asking such an odd thing in the middle of Flying class!


 * And I agree it will not merit it's own page either. The Patronus one was kind of a serious one, created by J.K. Rowling. I don't think the game's trivia proved to be substantial enough. I think reading them, I'm kind of bored of them now. They repeat the same ones and provide no insights into anything. - Kates39 (talk) 19:51, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Mistakes
Hey y'all! Would like to discuss Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery. -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 15:48, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) The reason I put the "Severus + wand-waving" incident in "Behind the scenes," is because I considered it a trivia, and one that still could be explained as to why it might not have actually contradicted canon, such as the two theories lated on added, and my personal one, he could have simply changed his teaching method by the 1991–1992 school year. The Firebolt thing is however inexcusable.
 * 2) Hmmmmm... I have not gotten the divination quiz yet; I feel like there's consistency issues. Sometimes the answers have all Professors' full names, but I know sometimes it doesn't (the Astronomy one I got, was like that, but I'm pretty sure the Care of Magical Creature one I got has their full names.) I think if they simply unify the answers with full names, and also throwing in random individuals instead of actual Hogwarts Professors in the choices, then "Dolores Umbridge" (NOT "Professor Umbridge") could at least be explained. Sighs.
 * 3) Side-note: I completely agreed with the "McGonagall could potentially make no sense" thing, because I was one of those who chose Penny, and was like WTF are you talking about, woman? I'm not even sure if Ben knows about my adventure in the Locked Room!?, but because I read it really fast, I almost thought I misread what she meant, so thanks for bringing it up!
 * Hey, I was not sure about that McGonagall and Ben thing.  I don't remember her saying anything about Ben getting trapped, like it says in the Mistakes section. But I also agree that whatever she said, it was odd. Just not in a clearly stated wrong way, but more of inferring-something-that-didn't-happen way.
 * GakuenLME (talk) 07:12, May 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey. I typed it when I had the words on-screen. I went with Penny and later McGonagall said Ben was upset about what happened when he was trapped in the cursed ice, which made no sense because it never happened. The game probably overlooked it and wrote the scene without realising the player might not have taken Ben. I wish I had screenshot it now. - Kates39 (talk) 09:17, May 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * No, it's okay I believe you without a screenshot. I just couldn't remember for sure, so thank you for clearing it up for me. GakuenLME (talk) 17:52, May 4, 2018 (UTC)

Year 2 Chapter 1 Sneaking into Houses
Do we know if there is a pattern for which house you sneak into, depending on the player's House? Somewhere in the article, it says Gryffindor, but maybe it would just be clearer if we knew who had to sneak where. I know that my Slytherin player had to sneak into Gryffindor. Is there any pattern? Could we just list it or something? GakuenLME (talk) 07:37, May 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * It shouldn't say Gryffindor in the article now and I have amended the part I missed when correcting it. I made an assumption that everyone would sneak into Gryffindor (Ben's house who they were searching for). Then another player told me they were sent to Slytherin's room.


 * Then we thought there was a pattern which we noted in Behind the Scenes. We thought it would be different for every House (I was Ravenclaw sent to Gryffindor, they were Hufflepuff sent to Slytherin). It made logical sense that maybe Slytherin were sent to either Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, but you were sent to Gryffindor too. I will add it to the note I made. - Kates39 (talk) 09:24, May 4, 2018 (UTC)

Weird malfunctions
Did anyone else get a weird malfunction in the Hagrid side quest? Outside the Devil's Snare room in the corridor, both Hagrid and my avatar were blacked out. It made sense that I was blacked out inside the dark room, but not in the lit corridor. GakuenLME (talk) 20:49, May 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * It happens before and after they go in the corridor. I don't know whether it was a mistake technically. I think they wanted to put an emphasis on how dark the room would be and it was intentional. But it made no sense and worth a note in mistakes. - Kates39 (talk) 21:10, May 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * I didn't get what you described, however, after the App update (released last week,) I have been actually getting more errors comparing to prior the update. There was also some weird things happening; like, I'm pretty sure when I completed ch. 9 from Year 2, it didn't give me the usual screen for the start of the next chapter (ch. 10) with its summery; and before I actually completed ch. 10 (was still on Part 6/6 of the story) the game told me I completed ch. 10 lmao. I was like, okay whatever, and continued to play; eventually when I did finally complete it, the same screen showed up again. Dunno if it happened to anyone else.


 * In Year 3, the first side quest, I also got a weird loop going on, where Ben's speech bubble wouldn't disappear after reading it. Like, when I finished talking to Hagrid and clicked on Ben's speech bubble again, after Ben gave the same talk, I'd be able to talk to Hagrid with the exact same convo again lol. I just left to do other things, and thankfully it's gone. Still weird though. =P
 * -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 09:03, May 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * Updates, I got another weird loop thing with Madam Pince and a student... Hopefully there'd be an update soon. Not that I could go back for that particular arc, but I just hope things similar won't continue to happen.-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 16:17, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

NPC students
Hey! Just wondering, do players from different Houses share classes with the same specific Houses in specific classes? K, that question was hard to phrase... For example, I'm a Hufflepuff, and I'm always taking: My question is basically, does everyone gets Charms with Gryffindors, etc.? Because, I'm getting specific NPCs descriptive names such as "Smug Gryffindor," "Ravenclaw Lad," and "Thoughtful Ravenclaw"... I feel like those at least don't seem randomized as the Leaderboard... Unless the classmates would in fact be different depending on the player's House? Need confirmation. -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 09:03, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Charms with Gryffindors
 * Potions with Slytherins
 * Transfiguration with Ravenclaws
 * Herbology with Hufflepuffs (I think; only just started Year 3.)
 * Flying is consisted of a healthy mix of students from all Houses.


 * I have Charms with Gryffindor and Potions with Slytherin too. I know Flying includes everyone. However, I don't have Transfiguration with anyone other than my fellow Ravenclaws. I don't know about NPC names. I think I have noticed the odd one around the school, but normally they are "First year" and "Second year" etc. I will keep an eye out for them and let you know. - Kates39 (talk) 17:08, May 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * For me, in Transfiguration, "Ravenclaw Lad" is usually the dude that sits directly behind the player (so his face is mostly blocked) and "Thoughtful Ravenclaw" would be the brunette girl sitting by the table next to the player..-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 07:38, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Students with actual names
For Philip and Chauncy, are they Hufflepuffs for everyone? How does that work? Cuz I had to search for the sweets in Hufflepuff common room... Do players from other Houses get different students? Or a different quest? -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 09:03, May 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * At what point in the game do you search for sweets? I don't think I'm far behind you. I will keep an eye out for them. Let me know at what point, and then I can know better if the task changes because of my house. - Kates39 (talk) 17:08, May 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery. It appeared for me before I completed the Sleep Walker side quest. (now confirmed to vary by house)- - S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 07:38, May 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't get the sweets side quest. I got a side quest where Snape gets mad at Slytherin for taking revenge on the Gryffindors. (Man, I lost so many house points in the last 2 chapters) This appeared like a chapter or two after I completed the Hagrid one and the Hospital ones. GakuenLME (talk) 10:02, May 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh dear! Thanks for sharing this! I guess a lot of beta users were Hufflepuffs? Surprised lol since pages for those students were created for some times and even have images... I just assumed they'd show up for everyone... What a waste for named characters... =/
 * -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 16:17, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

In Year 2, there was a first-year named Eliza whose notes went missing. Was she in the same house for everyone (Ravenclaw), or will the house change depending on the player? - Kates39 (talk) 12:24, May 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Nice! You've definitely reach the Side Quest that'd be completely different for each house! Help edit the Ravenclaw part in the section linked above? I was able to find a Gryffindor walkthrough (plus someone has already created a related page) and GakuenLME helped out with the Slytherin part; we are just missing Ravenclaw. =D -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 14:56, May 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you letting me know! I never realised it was the Ravenclaw version of the Hufflepuff sweet assignment. I have now completed the section with the Ravenclaw one. - Kates39 (talk) 15:53, May 16, 2018 (UTC)

The Vault of Ice
McGonagall said something really suspicious near the end of this chapter. So, I chose Penny to take with me, but McGonagall said something like "I have a feeling if you brought Other Personyou wouldn't have gotten caught." And now I'd like to know if this is true. Did this really happen? I would like to compare on this subject. Sorry random. GakuenLME (talk) 10:11, May 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * For me, I find the last few chapters of Year 2 highly misleading; I actually would have liked to take Ben, based on his supposedly good charmwork; however, when we trained our friends, we helped Penny improved her Charms and Ben his Potions, so I was like, well, I don't think with one specific potion would be helpful for that particular adventure, so I picked Penny. IRONICALLY, Penny still used a potion (WTHeck did we train for, then?) and I read up that Ben would have used a spell if he were picked. Super annoyed. What McGonagall said to me was super condescending; I screenshot the whole thing. She was like, thankfully you aren't like Ben cuz he's good with covering his tracks, IDK if the player would still get caught if Ben was in fact chosen though. I got 50 points taken off, but it didn't really matter cuz the points I earned alone was like 100 times the other got xP -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 16:17, May 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm actually beginning the chapter now. I will take your advice and pick Ben over Penny, and let you know how it goes and if anything changes! - Kates39 (talk) 17:22, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Character section
Sup folks!

I want to take the time to breakdown some of the reason why the character section became how it was like, up until oldid=1133656; I'm unfortunately one of the contributors towards that. Please take a look at:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/index.php?title=Harry_Potter%3A_Hogwarts_Mystery&diff=1129385&oldid=1129376

Jump to AFTER Line 105 and look for the "Professors" section, and compare it to what's after Line 222 on the version before that. Previously, there's this following chunk of text in the Behind the scenes section:


 * The Hogwarts staff from 1984 would have been composed of: Albus Dumbledore (Headmaster), Minerva McGonagall (Transfiguration), Filius Flitwick (Charms), Pomona Sprout (Herbology), Severus Snape (Potions), Quirinus Quirrell (Muggle Studies, at least in the late 1980s), Sybill Trelawney (Divination), Cuthbert Binns (History of Magic), Silvanus Kettleburn (Care of Magical Creatures), Aurora Sinistra (Astronomy), Rolanda Hooch (Flying). Poppy Pomfrey was the Matron, Argus Filch was the Caretaker, Rubeus Hagrid was the Keeper of Keys and Grounds and Irma Pince was the School Librarian. It is unknown if Septima Vector already taught Arithmancy and Bathsheda Babbling already taught Study of Ancient Runes. It is unknown who the Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher was, but Voldemort's jinx on the post was already in effect, meaning there would have been a new teacher each year.

It has been there pretty much from the start, along with a "list" of students who would have attended Hogwarts during the timeframe this game is set in; problem is, it's not actually in list form, and to me personally, it was hard to read (and I'm fully aware this is a personal issue, so I left it alone up until the change I did up there.) I feel that, since the professors are actually "listed" in the character section, might as well combine the info, so that what's been confirmed can be removed from the BTS bulletpoint, and declutter it, since, when those professors are already listed once, why do it again separately to show what they taught? That was my thought process.

That being said, I agree that towards the end, I went slightly overboard and forgot about just needing to provide the utmost relevant info, (referring to the part where I went adding "Deputy Headmaster" for Minerva and "the Potions Professor and Head of Slytherin prior to Severus Snape" for Slughorn.) Those aren't incorrect, but yeah, in hindsight, not necessary to be mentioned in this game specifically (judging from all the info given at this point.) SO, I do agree that certain info can be simplified.

However, I do not agree with completely removing all descriptions. Please take a look at:
 * Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (video game)
 * Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (video game)
 * Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (video game)
 * Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (video game)
 * Fantastic Beasts: Cases from the Wizarding World

Especially the first four links; I want to point out that, they featured plots and characters fans would be familiar with, yet, they still have a decent amount of (if not too detailed) descriptions of those relatively recognizable characters. Granted, the first article did get a "cleanup" template placed, but the rest did not. I am NOT saying "just because some other articles did this, we should do it here, too."

The reason I'm particularly vouching to at least have the minimum treatment like what's on, is because like FBC and UNLIKE the rest of the HP games, this game highlights BRAND NEW characters, first time ever seen HERE, along with info from characters we knew, but ALSO first time ever revealed, HERE. It is true that, "just by clicking the links we can read about them," however, by removing the basic intro, one would have to click through 10+ links to THEN read up on who they are, individually. It breaks up reading flow, and it's certainly not welcoming for people who just want to get an idea of what this game is about, when they were only provided names of characters they most likely have never heard of, and have to subsequently read their respective articles.

Like I said, clicking one link, sure, how inconvenient would that be? But clicking A LOT OF LINKS? All just to get the basic idea of who those characters are and what roles they play in this game? That's debatable.

I know I wrote a lot above, but I just want to be clear on the "why" I personally vote for still having SOME description of the characters.

I also think there needs to be a distinction between in-univeresly mentioned characters, and somewhat OoU-ish mentioned characters. For example, Wendelin the Weird appeared to be one of Rowan Khanna's favorite witches in the convo during her stay at hospital wing. On the other hand, characters like Cornelius Fudge, Myron Wagtail, and Roberta Swill, for me personally, they have only appeared as "options" for players to select (and wrong ones, mind you.) This we can talk about later? I do want to focus on bringing the minimum descriptions back, and I hope it isn't unreasonable. I'm writing on the Talk page first because I don't want to go straight back adding, only to be reverted afterwards. Let me know what you think?

-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 18:37, May 25, 2018 (UTC)


 * I personally find no need to spell out the precise role every character plays on the one page. The article has become very, very long compared to any other game page and I think we need to limit how much we feel we need to spell out for readers. The whole point of main articles are for people to find out more. It's not a huge task to click on links for the purpose of finding out more. It's what they are there for.


 * If you look on the pages made for the books (e.g. ), there are no character sections. They are long pages with lots of info too. The page will have many, many new characters along with old ones, and a lot of new info on chapters and side tasks to come. We are only up to Year Three. Lots more to come. We have already decided to go into a lot of detail in other sections where we spell out what each character did. I don't think the page needs any other long sections. I think we need to save space and condense info as much as we can, and avoid big chunks of writing which are not really needed.


 * Again, we don't need to spell out every little thing. I am not completely out of favour of writing a short description for each new character, but it's kind of not needed, it tends to get out of hand and then people do the same for old characters, and as you can see, there are a lot of characters! And we are not even half way through the game yet. I was the one who set up the section and created the initial character descriptions, and now I kind of wish I hadn't.


 * But going into detail about the precise manner in which mentioned, unimportant characters were mentioned - I don't think I will compromise unfortunately. It's such unimportant info in the game and very trivial, and the precise definition of going over the top with info. I find no problem with simply putting them under the mentioned header, with a short description of what it means, which I already put in the section. Whether they were mentioned by a character, or mentioned in a trivia hint (OOU), who cares? It had no impact on the game.


 * Besides, there are links on the page to another article which wrote up everything players could be asked and every possible answer. I think people will be fine for info. - Kates39 (talk) 11:01, May 26, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply! Because there are multiple points being brought up, it was a bit hard for me to think of a way to respond and to the point (<-- I always have trouble doing that!)


 * "The article has become very, very long compared to any other game page [...]"I feel this is a different issue; like I was trying to say, few of the games are actually with brand new content. Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup and are actually the only two that came to my mind, and I have to say, I actually feel quite guilty about the latter, cuz had I not rushed just to move forward, I might have been able to read what was said and help contributing to that article as well. I can guarantee that, if players of that game are as dedicated as the treatment of HM, FBC's article would have been at least notably lengthier. IDK about HP:QWC so I can't comment about that.


 * Back to the point, I don't think "because it's getting long," we then let other sections suffer due to it. This isn't even particularly about the character section; like I've previously pointed out, the Side Quests pale in comparison to the main story arc. When reaching 100,000 bytes, I was going to propose with . I know this has not been done on other game articles, nor book or film articles, but like I said, this game is basically the first of its own kind, as none would have 7 years worth of content. The proposal was to have "chapters" on its own separate page. And before immediately shutting it down, I'm not saying having no chapter content on original article, but rather like how the ES and FR HPW are dealing with theirs, an overall summary for each year, instead of having the details we have here. So that there are no room for misunderstanding, I'm not saying what we are doing needed to be stopped, I'm saying, that level of details basically deserved to be placed with.


 * Since the article length is used as an argument (a really reasonable one,) I figured I'd just throw out the idea earlier. As for " doesn't have character sections," it is missing the fact that DH is the LAST book of its series, sure, there's still some last minute new characters, but people should be familiar with the majority of the cast by then, so its completely different in this case in which the majority are new characters.


 * "Whether they were mentioned by a character, or mentioned in a trivia hint (OOU), who cares? It had no impact on the game."I know this is mostly meant as a rhetorical question, and I'm not forcing my opinion on you for I'm aware I'm most likely a rare minority, but to answer your question "who cares?" I actually do. I'm excited to learn new canon info. Seeing characters being listed as "mentioned" leads me to consider them to have those said new canon info. Being listed as filler options does not meet that criteria. I was disappointed when I randomly came across someone saying Emeric Switch was one of those options, and not actually mentioned in-universe etc. That being said, I will not insist on this (unless some other user miraculously backs me up, which the chances are slim.) I just wanted explain it one last time, cuz call me fragile, I actually find the "who cares?" comment slightly hurtful lol. No biggie, each to their own.
 * "Besides, there are links on the page to another article which wrote up everything players could be asked and every possible answer. I think people will be fine for info."Oh this I can actually say is false lol. The article "claims" to have "everything" but it only has 25 questions. It does have other pages, but organized in a weird way (certain questions appearing on more than one page.) I so far encountered 47 different questions (all screenshot,) and while that's not really a lot, I don't for one second think that's all there is, because I still haven't got a lot of the ones other people said they've got. I honestly think this wiki could compartmentalize question a lot better than that website, and unfortunately for me, on both Safari and Chrome, the ad on the lefthand side actually blocked all the starting sentences for the questions, and hidden most of the answers from view as well. This is another thing I'm not worry about ATM though; just wanted to point out why I thought there was potential. -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 01:49, May 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * I apologise if my "who cares?" comment was taken the wrong way. It was not my intention to be condescending! I was kind of making a throwaway joke about how trivial the questions are.


 * I don't think the character section will suffer because we don't spell everything out for people on the one page. We have created a very helpful and extensive guide found nowhere else, which many people will appreciate in the form it's in now. They will find what they need to find out through the wikia, whether it's on the one page or not. I wouldn't worry too much about that.


 * The character section was not missing from the Deathly Hallows book page because it was the final book in the series. The Philosopher's Stone page, and every other book are the same. They have no character section. The Harry Potter (book series) doesn't either. Now I don't think it will be neccessary, but I will compromise and say okay, let's bring back very short character descriptions for new characters only.


 * The split idea - I would recommend writing about the idea on an admin talk page and receiving feedback from them, because we have never made page indiviual pages for chapters before - not even for the books. I don't oppose the idea though! Anyway, I hope that resolved the character section debate.


 * Let's talk about the questions. I don't think those kind of questions asking what feature of Rolanda Hooch was yellow etc., which contribute nothing towards the game-playing, are worth writing up about. I understand wanting to put every tiny thing on the wikia, but the questions are very trivial and people will be able for search for that character, place, event, object the question asks about, by typing it in the wiki search bar anyway. I am saying we need to condense info and consider what was actually important to the game-playing.


 * But the new feature of dining with a friend, provides questions about a particular topic (mine was Filch before). It actually contributes towards the game-playing, i.e the building of friendships. Even though people will be able to search for the answer anyway, if it means that much to other players, even the minority, then I might be persuaded to make a page for it. If we do that, it should be on it's own page named "Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery trivia" perhaps. - Kates39 (talk) 10:58, May 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * Awww... Thanks for being super nice and understanding! I'm sorry I didn't the joke part D; and took it the wrong way, I'm like really horrible with reading tone. Thanks for the explanation and sorry for causing a slight drama.


 * "The Philosopher's Stone page, and every other book are the same. They have no character section. The Harry Potter (book series) doesn't either." Oh dang! I think I confused seeing them on Wikipedia to this wiki, plus certain game pages on this wiki having them. Valid point! My bad. I do very appreciate the compromise changes you made, so I'ma also try to help brainstorm cutting down the info. May be overcomplicating things so wonder your thoughts:


 * Would the above be more structural or is it just unnecessary? For the new characters, I actually thought what their skills are are more important than what House they were in lol. Then I got lost when trying describe Tonks, Tulip & Barnaby (I feel like saying "pranks, scheming, and being the brawn" respectively just wasn't going to cut it.) So I'm now not opposed to removing the 3 description I added. The distinction I felt needed was indicating the "potential friends," to highlight their importance to the player. Should we get introduced to new prefects (I really hope so... Dx) making a table with "potential friends" and "prefects" side-by-side could save space if it comes to that?


 * Just a thought! Moving on. The split idea, I think I'll follow my original plan and wait for passing 100,000 bytes to then propose it to an admin, just so the article does get undeniably lengthy xD


 * The questions. Yes, that would have to do; I supposed just because I'm good at memorizing what specific spells do, doesn't mean it's like that for other people; what's hard for me is knowing what potion ingredients doesn't belong and what plants with features lol. I've been individually looking up this wiki all this time, and I can live with that. The new feature one, I'm also open to see what comes of it. I've dined with Tonks twice so far, and both times were about Filch (3 questions the 1st time, 2 questions the 2nd time. All different, will test it again) -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 17:38, May 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say it was unnecessary, but maybe wait until there are a few other new characters (perhaps the new Prefects from Year Four onwards if they are mentioned or appear), and then begin adding the potential friends and Prefects section?


 * If you want to draft up or create the trivia page, go ahead and then have a look at the way the page could be put together? - Kates39 (talk) 19:55, May 31, 2018 (UTC)

Billingsley
I think a page should be made for Billingsley, but I have no idea when he was mentioned and why. Does anyone remember what role he played in the game? - Kates39 (talk) 11:31, May 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * For a terrible moment, I started to think if he was only massively mentioned to Hufflepuff players, but I checked on Twitter and confirmed at least 2 players from 2 other houses are also seeing a lot about him being mentioned. I would say he played the role of being someone to gossip about, for some weird reason.


 * With screenshots, here's 5 scenes I've encountered:
 * https://twitter.com/samantha_kasa/status/998098756791762944
 * A special 6th I know to not seem available for other house:
 * https://twitter.com/samantha_kasa/status/1000219340287836162


 * If not minding language use; here's screenshots from a Ravenclaw:
 * https://twitter.com/aromaladyellie/status/1001316411703156736


 * Someone told me he's mentioned in Potions as well, I'm still trying to see when it happens.


 * I do also think a page should be made for him, just don't know how to go about it.-- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 18:00, May 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay, I made the page. I hope it was okay to use your Twitter link to make a source for the biography. If you are uncomfortable, it's okay - I will delete it and find another. — Kates39 (talk) 19:50, May 31, 2018 (UTC)

Roberta Swill
Okay, another character I have no idea when they were mentioned and why! Does anyone remember at what point she was mentioned? - Kates39 (talk) 21:03, June 1, 2018 (UTC)


 * And... that's why the previous indicator was worded in such way. I got the name multiple times when asked Who wrote Magical Draughts and Potions? Arsenius Jigger being the correct answer, with Roberta Swill and Horace Slughorn as filler options. Dunno if she'd actually be mentioned in-universe.
 * -- S a m m m ✦✧ (talk) 22:23, June 1, 2018 (UTC)