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RE:About the "what the heck sction"
In response to your reply as well as C.Sydes input:


 * So... Yeah, I don't really know what else there is to say. I JUST finished telling you about how I couldn't ignore it because it's upsetting me on a personal level, and your advise is to ignore it. Sorry, chief, had this been literary ANY other discussion I've ever partaken in, I'd prudently just bow my head and respected your decision, bathing in the light of your wisdom and guiding hand and all that, but with this one, to expect me just to "ignore" it isn't good enough to make me comfortable with it being there, because whether keeping it there is intended to showcase my shortcomings or not doesn't make a lick of a difference, because regardless, that's exactly what that section does. Sorry for being so blunt, but seriously... "Rules", "policies", whatever you want to call it - "discussion", "debate" whatever label you choose to give the section to justify keeping it, it's not going to make me feel any better about it being there. Now that I remember it is there, as long as it is, I will spend about 100% of my energy lamenting about what a horrible person I am and nil at appreciating whatever progress I may or may not have made. Sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult, but self-confidence isn't anything to write home about, and thus, that's just how my head work.


 * An important part of being a good editor is being able to take constructive criticism.
 * In what way does keeping a so-called discussion where I lost my temper and treated people disrepectfully equal "constructive criticism?" Because I can tell you,  a so-called discussion where I lost my temper and treated people disrepectfully is not a shining example of "constructive criticism", it's still just  a so-called discussion where I lost my temper and treated people disrepectfully.


 * Regardless it doesn't mean you can remove the discussion from the page and pretend it didn't happen.And I'm not going to. As you can see in my discussion about whether Newt was expelled or not, I daresay I have come a long way since then, but that's beside the point. The point is that when I see the "What the heck?!" section, I don't automatically think; "Aaaaaw, see how bad I was then and how much better I am now, that's nice!", I get furious at myself, I start disliking myself, and end up in a very dimly lit place. I've visited it one time to many and do not care to do so again. The service is crappy and the rooms are bad.


 * These things happen, people do all kinds of things on the internet that they regret. it's how they learn from them.
 * Removing a failure to treat people respectfully from public view is not the same as pretending it didn't happen or that I didn't learn from it, it's merely a way for me to prevent myself from forgetting how and why I learned from it by being too busy beating myself up over bad choices to appreciate any potential progress.


 * I've done things on the internet that I'm not proud of. But I accept them and move on.
 * Not wanting to look at something is not the same as not accepting. For example, I had a rat in my apartment, and although I don't want to look at the picture my brother took of it with his phone after we found it dead in a trap, I sure accept that it was there and that I have to buy a new dishwasher because of it.


 * I suggest you do the same.
 * I'm trying to, but the "standard procedures" won't let me.


 * Most people probably wouldn't care about what happened with you in the past, since it's the past, not the present.
 * No one can possibly know what anyone else will think. Because Legilimency is fictional, and whatever the extent we can consciously identify ourselves.


 * Ninclow (talk) 10:55, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

This user vandalized the Founder pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:22, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Aura / Albus Dumbledore
I hate to bother you about this, but Ninclow made this edit to Dumbledore about how he studied "the methods used by the Master Aurologists of Sudan to sense" magic in the Horcrux cave. I tried to separate out the facts of what Dumbledore did versus the speculation in this edit. Ninclow didn't want to accept this and changed it again. On the [Talk:Albus_Dumbledore#Aura_.2F_Magical_Detection talk page] User:Kates39 agreed that it seems quite a leap to connect this pieces of information and state them as fact, instead of in a Behind the scenes comment, but that isn't listened to either.

Ninclow said they were using the wiki's definition of Aura, which when I checked isn't provided by the references listed. So I provided a clearer definition from the OED on this edit and it is repeatedly undone. No solution possible on Talk:Aura as they say " "aura" was described the traces of magical energy left behind by magical use/activity" without providing any examples or evidence in canon.

Not sure what to do - apparently you are the only arbiter capable of settling these things? Thoughts on how best to handle the situation as it seems to be an ongoing and repeated issue. Many thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 12:57, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

1) I did not say that "they were using the wikia's definition, I said that I used the definition from the page.On which aura had been defined as "a subtle field of magic", which did not only make sense with Dumbledore's comment that magic leave traces, how he located and identified the weakness payment but also fit perfectly with the manner in which Aurologists was mentioned.

2) I have no problem with people having another opinion than me, but when they start changing wiki content just because what was already there (and had been for some time) suggested I had a point, now THAT rubs me the wrong way.

3) I did provide a reference by elaborating on the context in which the word "aura" appear in Fantastic Beasts. If you choose to dismiss and/or ignore it or otherwise deem it to be insufficient evidence, that is hardly my fault. Ninclow (talk)

Hey
Hello Mr. Copper,

I am Reverb Frost. Well I have an idea.. I thought if possible then can we change the name of this wiki?? I mean if u think so! Like wat I have in mind is Harry potter wiki --> Potterverse wiki!! how is it?? I hope u like it and think on my idea of changing the name. Thanks for reading.. Have a nice day!!

Reverb frost (talk) 17:53, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Need a new Mod
Hey Seth, Since Jay has resigned from her Mod position we need a little extra help to keep the Discussions running smoothly. We have done a lot of research and consideration and us current Mods have all come to the conclusion that http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Nylinajatii is the best choice for an additional Mod. She's very kind, helpful and clear, if you could promote her as soon as you can that would be great!Thanks! --TheOriginalDoctor (talk) 16:49, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Discussions Category Changes
Hey Seth, I'm glad your back we were starting to worry about you a little.

Anyways, Us Mods think it would be best if the 'Fun Fact' and 'Contest Questions' were deleted, since we are trying to make the Discussions have better quality and in-depth conversations. This is partly us trying to make the Discussions more suitable for Forum users for when the inevitable 'Merge' comes into place.

On that note, Is there any other specifics you would like us to make for the Discussions to be 'ready' or more suitable for the users and activities that are currently on the Forums? Let me know! --TheOriginalDoctor (talk) 15:04, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Family categories
I was hoping you could provide some guidance on how the family categories should be applied. If we look at Tom Riddle as an example, beyond "Riddle family" should he be part of the "Gaunt family", "Slytherin family", and "Peverelle family"? More over, should the Category tree itself place the "Gaunt family" under the "Slytherin family" so that all pages with the "Gaunt family" are automatically under "Slytherin family" as well?

Another example would be "Albus Potter" - in addition to being in "Potter family", should he be under "Weasely family", and "Prewett family", and even "Peverelle family"? It's not clear if the intent is to track genealogical relationships or just surnames (where only Molly is a member of both Weasely and Prewett, but not her children or grandchildren).

Unfortunately, the category tree is such a tangled mess that ensuring pages only have the most specific category is not doable in many cases. Thanks for any insight you have to help fix it! --Ironyak1 (talk) 05:20, April 26, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, will do. What a tangled web we weave... :) --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:57, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

Pure-blood debate
Sorry to drag you into another etymological debate, but if you have a chance, your insight would be appreciated at Talk:Pure-blood. In re-reading all the Pure-blood related texts, I think the common definition of pure-blood (as all ancestors must be pure-blood) does not actually fit the evidence, especially that given in. Any thoughts you have are most welcome as always. Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 03:39, May 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * Have time for a quick chat? --Ironyak1 (talk) 02:13, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Family categories
If you have a chance, can you take a look at Forum:Organizing_Family_categories and leave some feedback? I think the proposed solution will work, but want some input as it affects many pages. Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:19, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Film props and physical descriptors
When you have a chance, can you weigh in on Talk:Newton_Scamander please? We could use an interpretation of whether film props and other representations like FWC are suitable sources for physical descriptors of book characters. Kinda of an extension of the whole CC / Lavender Brown issue that we discussed a while back. Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 02:10, May 10, 2017 (UTC)

"Inferi" articles
FYI, there is some oddity in pywikibot that is returning deleted pages when requesting RecentChanges. As such, the bot is resurrecting them and often tagging them with the Appearances notice. As you've had to re-delete some recently, I just wanted to let you know I'm working through to make sure they are filtered out in the future (although an inferi army has its uses - maybe the bot is seeking immortality ;) Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 17:17, May 11, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Uncivil
Understood. I'd suggest you tell Ironyak, who has caused my bad mood which is why I am uncivil, that he doesn't change pure-blood from that until a consensus has been reached; as you can probably see, it hasn't.--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:30, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

One, threats don't work - they make you nothing better than a common thug, but I shall try and hold my tongue. Right now, Ironyak is the last person I want anything to do with so an apology, if you deem it necessary, will have to wait until I have the desire to beat him/her senseless with their own arm out of my head. Give me a day or two. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:08, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Understood. Also, while we're here; one, I think you're reply is in the wrong section and "uncalled for" doesn't need a dash. And, probably more importantly, the person below this section is right...--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:27, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Well, by that standard, the blame lies with Ironyak too. The definition of "uncalled-for" is not called for or needed according to Merrian-Webster. He did not need to do what he did; he chose to do what he did - so there's equal blame. Cause and effect. Cause: Ironyak did what he/she did. Effect: See the last hour or so. I always thought it was uncalled for as I studied an English degree and was taught that way. Maybe it's just America? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:36, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

What Ironyak did that was uncalled for was this. Did anyone on this wiki ask (or need) for him to change the stuff on Blood statuses? No. He chose to re-read everything over on Pottermore again; we did not need him too. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 02:07, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Well, the articles are different. Different = change. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 02:16, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, mate...
I saw how you were sticking up for me about HarryPotterRuler1... I wasn't offended by what he said, but it did get me thinking, because I know I'm not anywhere close to being the easiest person to deal with and that I can let my temper get the best of me and all that. I just felt like thanking you, apologize for being so difficult (by nature, but still) and tell you how greatly I appreciate that you're pantient enough to keep me on here. :'-) Ninclow (talk) 00:30, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Can you fix it?
I've just added some references to Pandora Lovegood, but I don't know how to put them under a ref with a name. Can you sort it? Please and thank you? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:39, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind - you have vanished, so I asked Ironyak to do it. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:58, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Just a Heads up

 * The quotes dont really work on mobiles. Specifically, the one for Jacob Kowalski. Anyways, just wanted to let you know. Have a great day! Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work 01:08, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Can you?
Can you join me and Ironyak in the chat please? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 02:39, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Full Black Family tapestry
Do you know of a single image that contains the entire House of Black tapestry and is readable? The tapestry has members not on JKR's written Black Family Tree, but I can't find an image that has both the parts from the left and right of the door and is legible. I'm hoping you have or know of one as I want to make single ref for use on Pure-blood for all those members that were born or married into the House of Black and not disowned. (PS is the tapestry amazing in person? Leavesden is still on my bucket-list :) Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:23, May 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear that - both about the tapestry pic and Leavesden. Both give you a good excuse to go back at least! :) --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:04, May 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * It's an almost exact likeness! MinaLima's going to get themselves sued for libel sullying the family name like that. ;) --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:46, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

I might be able to help there I've been to Leavesden and took pictures of the tapestry. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 21:52, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Seth! This user http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ilovehpotter13579hvvcfvx has been rude and keeps on posting stuff that are not hp related and random. He/she keeps on breaking the rules despite several warnings. I propose a one month ban at least. Thank you!

Ban Request
Hello Seth! Can you please ban http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Juni_Chakma because of creating OT Conversations on EVERY discussion post despite already given a warning. I propose a one month ban. Also, the other ban request was by me,I forgot to sign my name lol. Thanks, Nylinajatii (talk) 22:24, May 18, 2017 (UTC)Nylinajatii

Quick chat?
Have 5 minutes to review something? --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:30, May 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * Still around and have a couple minutes to chat? --Ironyak1 (talk) 02:17, July 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * Got a few minutes? --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:57, July 19, 2017 (UTC)

New Wordmark
Hi, since Wikia has a new format, I thought it might look better if the wordmark had a transparent background. This is what I made and I hope you adapt it to your wiki. Thanks.

Backstreet25865 (talk) 00:30, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

Deleting Categories
Hey Seth, incase you've missed the request sent before, we Mods had agreed to delete the 'Fun Fact' and 'Contest Questions' category because it doesnt really start a discussion. It would be great if you could do it as soon as you can. Thanks, Nylinajatii (talk) 22:30, June 17, 2017 (UTC)Nylinajatii

Need Permission
Hello Mr. Copper,

Greetings.

My name is reverb frost. I am one of the members of this wiki. Recently I have created a new wiki named the celebrityverse and I wanna write a blog on this wiki publicising it. So I needed your permission to do so. I will write only one post and you can keep it open for a week and then you can close the discussion thread. I would be really happy if you would allow me. If u need any behavioural information about me then u can contact discussion moderator TheOriginalDoctor. Plz let me know about it as fast as possible.

Reverb frost (talk) 11:10, June 19, 2017 (UTC).

Ban Request
Hey Seth sorry to bother you but can you please ban ForUsChickenKick and SeverousLupin for a week or less due to rule breaking and insulting users. Thanks again! Nylinajatii (talk) 04:44, July 2, 2017 (UTC)Nylinajatii

BAN REQUEST FOR RUPERT GRINT
Greetings Mr. Cooper

I come here on behalf of the discussion moderator of Harry Potter wiki. I guess all mods are asleep (time zone) and only Zoey is there and might have some technical issues due to which she might not be able to come here and hence  asked me to request u to ban the following guy. U might be aware of Rupert Grint guy who ha already caused a lot of trouble in past.. He is back once again. I request u to ban him permanently.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/d/u/32511940

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/d/u/32512346   (another fake account of rupert grint)

Following user supports the action of rupert grint guys plz bann him as well for a month if you can,

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:SurpressedG21

If u wish u can talk to Zoey to confirm weather she gave me this permission or not. I would request Immediate action if possible coz he is causing a lot of trouble.

Reverb frost (talk) 02:57, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

BTW Zoey is this user http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Nylinajatii

Reverb frost (talk) 02:58, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

Greetings,

Sorry but I have to come here too, Bcoz Same user is creating problem again and mods might be sleeping Bcoz of Time zone so I had to come here. User made another fake account here it is...

User.

Plz bann him/ her as soon as possible.

Eurus Allen : MAY SPEED FORCE BE WITH YOU (talk) 08:17, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

IP Ban Request
Greetings Seth, Can you please give an IP Ban to http://harrypotter.wikia.com.wiki/User:Ginnypotterboobskissing and their other accounts stated by Reverb. And for confirmation, I did ask him to send the request to you. Thank you! Nylinajatii (talk) 10:20, July 8, 2017 (UTC)Nylinajatii

Mod Permission
Greetings Seth!

So one of our Mods, http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dobby.77.free has decided to resign as a Moderator. She has left her reasons in this post http://harrypotter.wikia.com/d/p/3059397734776702034

Due to Dobbs leaving, we will need a new Mod to fill up the position. We have chosen http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:SiriuslyPotty as he is the best choice. He is very helpful and reliable to us. It would mean alot if you could promote him when you can. Thank you for your time! Nylinajatii (talk) 21:34, July 26, 2017 (UTC)Nylinajatii

Template question
Hi, Seth! I have found two templates for the deletion of templates and I wonder where is the difference? I mean Template:Tdeprecated and Template:Tfd. Perhaps you can explain me.  Harry granger   Talk    contribs  12:59, July 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, I understand. Template:Tdeprecated is for bringing to admins attention for having a look and Template:Tfd is directly for deleting.  Harry granger   Talk    contribs  16:21, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Henry Shaw Jr Behind The Scenes
Seth Copper, Your recent edit/ deletion for my Henry Shaw Jr entry was right but mostly wrong. My recently added initial link was unnecessary.

Your stated reason for deletion was wrong. In my entry I stated that James Walker was a NYS Senator in 1926, the date of Fantastic Beasts. I did so bc I knew that Shaw Jr was a US Senator. Normally close enough with the added context I provided. Which was: just as the actor playing Credence was deliberately chosen bc of his resemblance to Buster Keaton, the same thing happened when choosing Josh Cowdary for the role of Shaw Jr. Except it was never stated as such by the makers of the movie. Cowdary's resemblance to Walker is unmistakable as my entry stated. Jon Voight's newspaper publisher does resemble WR Hearst except that Hearst is usually depicted with dyed dark hair.

James Walker represented Roaring Twenties NYC by way of charisma and corruption. The Fantastic Beasts Nov 2016 release in the US strangely coincided with the Nov US election. Jon Voight gave the fatal dinner for his son Shaw Jr AND gave the intro speech for the Trump inaugural.

My entry minus the initial link should be reenstated. Is the present Behind The Scenes entry inaccurate? No. It just has zero relevance to what the movie was depicting. Theunpossiblefile (talk) 00:38, August 5, 2017 (UTC)

Seth Cooper Your recent edit to the Senator Henry Shaw page was arbitrary. The recessive 4-Chan cracked smile on your avatar says it all regarding your edit of this particular entry which had current political overtones. You're the perfect bureaucrat in every way possible. Literal and tone deft when convenient. The more I engage you the more deliberate duckspeak doublethink I'll get in return. Theunpossiblefile (talk) 21:28, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Family Tree Infobox
Good evening, I'm a wiki administrator and I've been using your genealogy template and I wanted to ask you how to modify that template so they don't fill the page. Add a code or something to decrease its size and could be "up and down", as in the Black, but instead of moving horizontally, could also move vertically. I don't know if I understood myself well, thank you very much in advance. And sorry by my english, I'm not good speaking this language.

Granting rights
Seth, could you grant me bureaucrat rights? I believe we discussed this possibility sometime last year. This wiki needs more rollbackers and admins to hold down the fort. With two bureaucrats, the chances of falling behind on rights request is less likely, as chances are at least once of us will be around at any given time. &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!) 02:35, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

Longbottom family tree
Would you be able to update the family tree at Longbottom family when you have a chance? Specifically, it needs to be updated to list Mr Longbottom as Frank's father instead of "Unidentified," Algie as the brother of Mr Longbottom, and Enid as Algie's wife. These relationships were confirmed recently on Pottermore. &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!) 05:59, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

New HP Discussion MOD
Greetings Seth!

Due to some of our current MOD team being no longer active, we have decided to bring a new highly active member into the Harry Potty MOD team. We have chosen http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Drag0na_v as she is the best choice. She is very helpful and active, with great member relationship skills. It would mean alot if you could promote her when you can. Thank you for your time!

Marc

New HP Wiki Category - FAQ
Hi Seth,

In a move to better explain both the intent of the wiki and answer some frequently asked questions, the MODs on the Harry Potter wiki would like to start a new Category- The FAQ Category. The intent is to have all FAQs in an easily accessable and searchable area that we can also link to new users. Posts will be MOD only and locked to maximize search efficiency.

If you could please create the new Category at your earliest convenience it'd be greatly appreciated.

Regards harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:SiriuslyPotty SiriuslyPotty (talk) 07:22, September 13, 2017 (UTC)

Account Ban request
Greetings Seth,

Unfortunately due to repeat infractions a couple of our members have agreed it's best if their accounts are Banned. Please Perma Ban Mr.CRD-360-ABD on Harry Potter. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/d/u/32487239 and JusticeBlack on Harry Potter. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/d/u/32904697

We also feel a 2 week ban for Hedwig987 is appropriate as a cool off period for responses to Mr CRDs posts. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/d/u/31856195

Thanks for your time SiriuslyPotty (talk)

Account Ban request
Greetings Seth!

Can you please ban http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:AVADAA_KEDAVRAA and http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Potterrheadd. Both for multiple infractions including Inappropriate language, insulting other users, use of foreign language and OT coversation in non OT threads

Thanks, SiriuslyPotty (talk) 09:25, September 23 2017

Could you additionaly ban User:Luke%20Sales for multiple messages promoting his services and being repetively OT in non OT threads. CosmicChronos | Sweden, the land of Meatballs 17:34, September 26, 2017 (UTC)

HP Lexicon question
Is the HP Lexicon a valid source? I only ask because it includes a page called Confrontation at the Chateau which states that "Five Aurors attempt to capture Gellert Grindelwald at his remote, derelict chateau somewhere in Switzerland. The five approach the chateau only to be blasted by a “sudden explosion of pure white light” that throws them back and appears to have killed them. From this confrontation, Grindelwald travels to the United States of America to track down an Obscurial which he saw in a vision. Once there he impersonates Percival Graves, one of the most powerful Aurors in MACUSA, and tries to find out who the Obscurial is."

This "remote, derelict chateau somewhere in Switzerland" - should we take it as canon? The building we see here certanly is a  chateau, as confirmed in the script. That it is in  Switzerland I think was confirmed by how the first scene in the movie showed Grindelwald make short work of five Aurors trying to sneak up on the place and President Picquery later accusing  Heinrich Eberstadt of letting Grinelwald slip through his finger, implying, if not confirming outright, that while he has a presence within international wizarding relations, domestically he is of high standing in magical law enforcement and led/oversaw the search for Grindelwald in his country.

In any case, I just wondered what your opinion were? Ninclow (talk) 12:51, September 28, 2017 (UTC)

Would it be okay if I made a page for the chateau? Also, why is it that pages made about Fantastic Beasts tends to be so much less detailed than most others? Ninclow (talk) 03:16, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

I don't know, I just think that if you look on the pages of Tina, Queenie, Jacob, Mary Lu, the account of the events they lived thrugh feel kind of rushed and not as fleshed out as the pages of let's say Gilderoy Lockhart. Could just be me, though. ^^' Ninclow (talk) 02:29, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

Ilvermorny Crest
Why do you keep adding back that old Ilvermorny crest? The new one is brand new and updated with the new House crests; the old one has all the old crests. Being the larger version is not a good reason to change a better and more updated picture. Tremewitch127 (talk) 17:40, September 30, 2017 (UTC) Tremewitch127

Requests for Permissions
Hey! So on the RFP page I asked to be made admin as to better be able to manage the discussions, and also my increase in interest towards articles, and so I wondered if something had to like happen, for example you call a vote for that or something, at least that's how I understood how it works, please correct me if I am wrong. Anyways I wondered if you could check on the RFP unless you already have? Cheers, CosmicChronos | Sweden, the land of Meatballs 02:32, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Ban User
Hello Seth! User:Turn_on_page_394 has repetively insulted people and gone against the rules, example:http://harrypotter.wikia.com/d/p/3100000000000023217/r/3087807785174649917

Discussions moderation/blocking help
Hi Seth,

As you know from the requests you get periodically, sometimes users in Discussions need to be blocked. It would be a time-saver for both you and the mods if someone actively monitoring Discussions was able to set those blocks. One of the mods has even applied for adminship specifically for this reason, as you may have seen.

I have another solution to propose. One of the longtime Discussions users, Reverb frost, has recently joined the "Global Discussions Moderator" volunteer group. This group has the ability to set local blocks, though this is only used on communities where staff has assigned them to help out. Harry Potter Wiki Discussions are well-moderated and so don't need the help of this group. However, with your permission, Reverb frost could help out and set blocks for Discussions users when needed.

Yet another option to consider is that we could allow the local Discussions Moderator group to set blocks. This is a permissions change on the wiki than FANDOM can make. Some other communities with active Discussions, such as Fallout Wiki and The Walking Dead Wiki, have decided to do this and it's worked out well. If you were thinking about promoting CosmicChronos to admin, this is an alternative that would not require giving him the full admin rights. All the local Discussions Moderators would have the block ability, in this scenario.

In either case, you and the other admins would of course have final say on any blocks and could remove them at your discretion. Let me know what you think about these options. Thanks! -BertH (help forum | blog) 19:18, October 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Great! I have make the permissions changes and now members of the Discussions Moderator group can use Special:Block to set blocks. Were you interested in Reverb frost helping out as well, either using his global abilities or (to be more formal about it) making him a local moderator as well? In either case it's up to you. -BertH (help forum | blog) 17:12, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

Canon policy
Hi, Seth. I think we need to start some kind of debate/site-wide consensus about a slightly revised version of some parts of the canon policy and how it is treated in the articles on the wiki, because in some cases, I am looking at articles and the arguments for why they are how they are on the talk pages, and don't know if I should laugh or cry. Ninclow (talk) 23:30, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Well, the first thing, and also the one I suspect would be the issue most easily resolved, is that I have been discussing with HarryPotterRules1 because he maintains that Griphook was killed in Malfoy Manor by Voldemort after the Gringotts breakin. I disagree because the book states that there was only one goblin in the room in the book, as opposed to two or three plus a bunch of Gringotts guards in the movie. Now, I am fully aware that the policy states that as long as it doesn't contradict the book, the movie is canon. He insist the goblin in the book was Griphook because the goblin wasn't identified and could have been him. When I try to reason that Harry saw the goblin killed through Voldemort's eyes and didn't mentally ackowledge or otherwise identify the goblin as Griphook, even though the goblin were facing him, which logically would mean that Harry don't know that particular goblin. But then he starts talking about that the wiki is a democracy, not a dictatorship and that for me to remove Griphook's movie death require consensus. Apparently, until I have it, regardless of wether the book itself implies that said goblin is Griphook or indeed if Rowling herself intended it to be Griphook or not is unimportant, because consensus hasn't been reached. If the policy allows 'maybe's' like that, I think there are flaws to be corrected in it. Ninclow (talk) 00:15, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

''The sky, the smell of the lake water, the sound of Ron's voice were extinguished. Pain cleaved Harry's head like a sword stroke. He was standing in a dimly lit room, and a semicircle of wizards faced him, and on the floor at his feet knelt a small, quaking figure. "What did you say to me?" '''His voice was high and cold, but fury and fear burned inside him. The one thing that he had dreaded - but it could not be true, he could not see how... The goblin was trembling, unable to meet the red eyes high above his.''

''"Say it again!" murmured Voldemort. "Say it again!" '''

''"M-my Lord," stammered the goblin, its black eyes wide with terror, "m-my Lord... we t-tried to st-stop them... Im-impostors, my Lord... broke - broke into the - into the Lestranges' vault..." ''

"Impostors? What impostors? I thought Gringotts had ways of revealing impostors? Who were they?"

''"'It was... it was... the P-Potter b-boy and the t-two accomplices..." ''

''"And they took?" he said, his voice rising, a terrible fear gripping him, '"Tell me! What did they take?" ''

"A... a s-small golden c-cup m-my Lord..."

''The scream of rage, of denial left him as if it were a stranger's. He was crazed, frenzied, it could not be true, it was impossible, nobody had known. How was it possible that the boy could have discovered his secret? The Elder Wand slashed through the air and green light erupted through the room; the kneeling goblin rolled over dead; the watching wizards scattered before him, terrified. Bellatrix and Lucius Malfoy threw others behind them in their race for the door, and again and again his wand fell, and those who were left were slain, all of them, for bringing him this news, for hearing about the golden cup.'' As you can see from the scene:

One goblin among wizards, most if not all DEs since there is no mention (or reason for being) any Gringotts guards present. And it is not Griphook, because Harry don't recognise him, meaning parts of the movie scene contradicts the book. Ninclow (talk) 03:10, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

So... Since the movie's depiction of Griphook being present, that would mean I can then change the article to reflect the fact that we have no first-tier valid information about what happened to him after the breakin, since first-tier invalidates his appearance in that scene in the movie? Ninclow (talk) 20:04, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Sorry for not just come to you right away, it's just... HarryPotterRules1 tends to push the exact wrong buttons - or, shall we say the right ones - to get me all fired up. ^^'  That being said, I had an other issue I was curious if we could address as well? Ninclow (talk) 23:39, October 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, it is about the policy regarding, or perhaps what seems to be the common perception of the policy, regarding book characters. I don't remember who, but there was someoen who added some details regarding Newton Scamander's physical characteristics from this page to the infobox on Newt's page, and Ironyak1 continiously removed it because it wasn't "valid" enough. First, I was under the impression of, because it depicted details originating from the physical appearance of the actor, and then later because they came from a film and Newt supposedly was a "book character". If this is something there have been consensus about or the policy support, I think it is a gross mistake. Yes, Fantastic Beast and Where to Find Them was written from an in-universe perspective, but that doesn't make Newt a "book character".


 * The way I see it, he is a character from the wizarding world of JKR. And yes, while I understand and agree that movie props are second-tier canon, a book isn't just a book. What kind of book it is and what purpose it serves both in-universe as well as practically speaking is very important, as it tells us what it is reasonable to take out of it and what isn't. If the movie description of Newt isn't to be used because he doesn't have one in his "book", then we shall never have one at all, because the book in question is one of world building, not one of story-telling that is meant to tell us anything about the character other than spesifically what the in-universe "author of the book" is "comfortable" or "permitted" to talk about/deems relevant. Differenting between Newt the Author and Newt the Character in this respect, I think is relevant when building up information about him.


 * And when we see Eddie Redmayne on the big screen in his blue coat and brown case, or any other character that does not physically appear in the Harry Potter series or who doesn't appear at all, I think we should take ever bit of information from it we possibly can because when he appears in that setting, we aren't looking at the actor. For every intent and purpoes, we are looking at the character of Newt Scamander. Limiting ourselves to the scripts means we miss out on a whole lot about characters, and the thing is - they're not in the Harry Potter book, and the first-tier scripts is what on which they are based. The actors portraying the roles will never really contradict the script because the character either would've been made with the actor in mind, or the actor is dressed out to appear as the characters, and for every intent and purposes, is that character, so everything from bushy eyebrows to high cheekbones and so forth is relevant, and should be treated as something the actor and the character they portray have in common as opposed to being soupposedly "invalidated" by not being consistent with a book in which they don't appear.


 * There are some exceptions, of course, like the ridiculous contact lenses Depp had in the movie, while the script describes him as blue-eyed. But as for the characters in the FB franchise, I think it reasonable that everything in the movie not contradicted in the script should be passable as something between first and second-tier canon since Rowling writes the screenplays and the movies therefore to a greater extent serve as the physical manifistations of her vision than the Harry Potter books, which by contrast was more of a cinematic intepretation of her books by David Yates. The HP films are more books interpretated and turned into films by an outsider, while the FB films is Rowling's stories shown to us directly in the same format, making the FB movies more or less on pair with the Harry Potter books in terms of canonicy, lest the movie subtly contradicts the screenplay, which is exactly on pair with the books in terms of canonicy. In short, to determine what can and what cannot be taken as canon by the wikia, treating all books and all movies the same is not a good idea and can to some extent both be rather counterproductive as well as lessen the integrity of the wiki by ignoring or otherwise leaving out completely valid information because they aren't "important" enough. the nature of the source should be considered, not the format of the source. Treating the HP and FB film series the same is illogical. Ninclow (talk) 15:14, October 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * Bump. Ninclow (talk) 01:40, October 23, 2017 (UTC)


 * I feel like the key word in your response were "preferable". Because one cannot treat the HP films and the FB films the same, especially since a vast majority of characters from the latter series don't have and never will have a book description to contradict them. Not to mention that Lavender Brown is such an unimportant side-character until book 6 that inconsistencies is to expected. We are, however, not talking about students Harry never talked to until Rowling squeezed them in to lengthen the chapter of her book, but of significant characters with clearly defined identites and repeated appearances such as Newt, Tina, Jacob, Seraphina Picquery, Abernathy, ect. And again, in the latter film series, unless there is a magnificent time jump, the actors of these individuals won't change, and even if they do, the appearance of the actors filling their shoes will definitively be based on the appearances of their successors as to make them identifiable to the viewers as the character in question. (Although graying beard and hair and adding wrinkles to them works just as well, so it isn't certain they will be changed in any case). Ninclow (talk) 17:00, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello, I'm Victoria from Dumbledore's Army RP Wiki (DARP) and I was wondering if I could possibly use Template:Potions Club as a roster for the actual roleplayed Potions club on DARP? I don't exactly know who else to ask to use it, but I'm willing to give credit on the page I use it on.

Queen of Anarchy (talk) 03:43, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

A title should go here. Name it whatever you like, Seth!
Hey,

Just wanted to know if cursing was allowed on this Wikia. Because a friend named HarryPotterRules1 recently cursed me over Lucius Malfoy's death info. I would greatly appreciate it if you inform him that adding assumptions or personal point of view on any character or event related to any literary creation violates the copyright law. My friend believes that Lucius Malfoy was actually declared dead by the author herself owing to some specific valuable words of Draco in "Cursed child". It would be the world to me if you kindly make him understand that mentioning of a person in past tense, Doesn't actually make him Dead.

Hope you are having a nice day!

Cheers! SeerLeviosa (talk) 15:32, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

First of all, we're not friends. Secondly, I have canon behind me. Thirdly, as the above... ahem... nuisance... has caused an edit war, can they be banished? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 17:47, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

RE:
What happened, Seth, was that I reverted something SeerLeviosa had said and wrote (WTF SeerLeviosa. Do not remove information...) and they took offence. That's all.

Also, I did not demand an apology. I said I'd like one (I seem to remember occasions where I have been made to apologise even if I didn't want too - so it's fair game here and hypocritical if you don't make them.) and if I DIDN'T get one, then I'd go over her head and ask you to force her too. That is LITERALLY all that has happened. So don't threaten me...HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 20:31, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

I'm starting to understand why Ninclow is perpetually angry as once again you are not on my side. I'll apologise - on the condition that SeerLeviosa is told off (an eye for an eye, after all.) HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 23:14, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

I brought Ninclow into it as he never seems to win in an argument with you admins - literally everything they have suggested has been shot down. I'll apologise. Forgive, yes. Forget that she snitched, ''never. ''HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 23:41, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

It wasn't intended to sound insincere; it was merely something for him/her to note. I've apologised to them, but for a while, at least, I cannot trust them to not snitch about something I post and something that was not intended to be offensive. Yes, I called him/her a nuisance - at the time they were being a nuisance; someone did ask for an admin to lock the page due to the edit was caused by her, after all. The main reason I accuse them of snitching is because of what they posted on your page - they posted it on several admin pages and got you involved instead of talking to me and explaining their point. They went straight to you and snitched on it. HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:07, October 25, 2017 (UTC)