Talk:Filius Flitwick

The picture in this article is not Filius it is the conductor-Hp7
 * There is a reason for this. Warwick Davies, the actor who portrays Flitwick, was not due to reprise his role for the Prisoner of Azkaban, but the director wanted the actor in the film so gave him a cameo as the conductor with a different appearance.  In the subsequent films, Davies reprised the role of Flitwick but with the appearance of the conductor, since the film crew liked the new look better than the old one.  This made the conductor in Azkaban become Professor Flitwick by way of a retcon. - Cavalier One 07:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Part goblin?
Didn't J. K. Rowling say that he was just short and not part-goblin? I am not sure about that, so could somebody explain? Gato1985 16:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Here | Rowling made a statement on her homepage.--Rodolphus 18:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Boy
He's smaller than I expected! Prissymis 02:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well he is part goblin and goblins are shorter than humans. ShirleyA Luna_Lovegood.jpg( The Quibbler ) 10:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Huh?
Can someone explain while in one part he looks like a midget, the next he's a goblin...?
 * His look was changed for Warwick Davis' appearance in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. What they are, I don't know. -- Cubs Fan2007  (Talk to me) 16:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Wands?
Has anyone noticed that Flitwicks wand in the first movie looks like the one that we see Cornelius Fudge using at the quidditch world cup? Because theres like a little bobble above the handle of the wand that looks very similar? Does anyone know if that wand was used by two actors as a prop because Flitwicks wand looks different after the first movie. - JACOBSMITH95

Physical Appearance
I've just come back from the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince tour and I was wondering if the schools "conductor" is still considered to be Flitwick, all the mechandise and images used during this tour and after had identified Flitwick with the older images of him with a white beard etc;, the Poster Annual identifies him like this as does other things there.
 * As far as I know, the conductor was never considered to be Flitwick. The older looking guy was originally Flitwick while the younger looking guy was just a conductor. They were played by the same actor. After the introduction of the conductor, it was decided that it would be the new look of Flitwick. He was younger from thereon out and the older looking Flitwick is only being used on Half-Blood Prince merchandise. Stormtears 18:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks as though the conductor eventually became part of his job anyway as he was seen conducting a choir in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix   Stormtears 15:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Warwick Davis explained how the conductor character came about in a MuggleCast interview. The conductor's name is Flitwick, but he is not the same person as Filius Flitwick, which lead Warwick Davis to imagine that the two characters are related: "I like to think - in my mind - that perhaps this is a relative of Professor Flitwick; this is perhaps a brother, or a cousin. He’s not a professor, either, he’s just Flitwick and he teaches magical music. That’s my justification for it, in my own mind, because it’s a question I get asked all the time." &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f (Owl me!) 22:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If a Philosopher's Stone-ish Flitwick appears in future film installments, should we split the article into Flitwick and Filius Flitwick? -- Seth Cooper [[Image:Moon.jpg|25px]] (Owl Post ) 22:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The Warwick Davis interview makes it clear that the conductor Flitwick and Professor Filius Flitwick are two different characters, so I think the article should be split, regardless of whether Filius Flitwick appears in future films. I also think that this article should only use pictures of the elderly, bearded man, who we know from the interview is supposed to be Filius Flitwick. &#x2605; <font face="Times" color="green">S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 01:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Davis said in an interview that he considers Professor Flitwick and the band conductor to be two different characters, but in the credits of both Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix, he is credited as "Filius Flitwick." Which source carries more weight? Should we treat the Professor of films 1-2 and the conductor of films 3-5 as two characters or one? <font color="Green">&#x2605; <font face="Times" color="green">S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 22:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I reckon the two characters should be deemed different people. Flitwick is seen in the first two films and in the first three video games as a small, white haired charms teacher and then there is a conductor who seems a completely different character. Well, we'll finally get confirmation when Deathly Hallows is made into film and we'll see who fights. Patr0nus 21:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I think action should be put into place and I am up forsplitting this page into "Professor Flitwick" (Charms Teacher) and "Filius Flitwick" (Conductor), and I'll more than happily take on the task of doing it and it should be fun to do.

Do we mean something like this? (But with their related information inside the article of course)

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Patr0nus 23:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I really don't think that's necessary. It would be like splitting up Albus Dumbledore just because he's portrayed by Gambon now rather than Harris. JKR herself said she was "taken aback" by his appearance in the early films, and both the HBP movie and most recent video games confirmed that despite his newer appearance he is still Professor Flitwick. Canon policy says to go with what's most recent.- Nick O&#39;Demus 00:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think the Gambon/Harris comparison works as Warwick Davis who plays both of these characters specifically says that they are two seperate people. Just because the video games got confused like we did doesn't mean it's all of a sudden true. Patr0nus 09:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The games are still canon, albeit 3rd teir. I don't think it's ever been discussed how much canon validity an actor's comments would have, as opposed to JKR's, as Warwick himself states that his reasoning is: "That’s my justification for it, in my own mind." Also, the interview in question took place before filming of the OotP movie, so it could be reasoned that while the identity of the conductor was still somewhat questionable at the time, it has since been canonically established as Professor Flitwick. In the HBP movie, when Harry and Luna arrive at the Hogwart's gates, doesn't Harry say to Warwick's character: "Professor Flitwick, you've known me for the last five years."?- Nick O&#39;Demus 11:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Actor intent is not canon. As Nick said Harry's comment establishes that the band conductor is Flitwick, plus Flitwick's reply to Slughorn's invitation for drinks at the Three Broomsticks - Sorry Horace, emergency band practice. Seeing as GOF, OOTP and HBP all credit Warwick Davies as Flitwick there should be no reasonable doubt that the band conducter and Flitwick are the same person and splitting the article would be going against canon. Jayden Matthews 11:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Jayden. Besides, splitting the actor's character into two different entity will possibly make the readers be confuse. --<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="darkblue">ÈnŔîčö DC [[Image:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]](<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl! ) 17:04, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I wish they would have him as he was in the first two films. I don't like the new him.

Year of birth
The 1950s are really speculative. He would be in his late 40s. He may have been born earlier, also indicated by his white hair. I always thought him to be in the same age as Madam Hooch. (but that´s also sspeeculation)--Rodolphus 13:02, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

How could it be?
How could it be that he's sometimes different in the movies, look at the pictures above!--Station7 20:20, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * In HP1+2, he has white beard and white hair, like described in the books. In HP3+4+5+6, he has black hair but i really don't know why!--Thorning 07:43, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

House
Source for his house? Just because he is the head of ravenclaw, does it mean he was one. Also, how about the Music teacher, source for that? 22:41, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes he is, How come someone became a head/leader of a group/organisation if he/she doesn't belong there? About Music teacher, haven't you watched the films? [imo] --<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="darkblue">ÈnŔîčö DC [[Image:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]](<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl! ) 06:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, seen all the films, but I haven't watched 1-4 in a while, and I probably wouldn't have remembered it anyways. As for the house, Is there a source that says that To be a head of house, you must have been in that house? It is most likely that he was in Ravenclaw, but It cant be assumed. 07:19, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=62 - <font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="FF8000">Nick O'Demus 07:36, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you Nick. 07:45, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Classmate of Dumbledore
The article states that Flitwick and Dumbledore attended Hogwarts in the same time and the source to this is merely: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Exactly where in the book can we infer this? -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 15:36, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

I can´t remember this, too. That would place his year of birth in the 1870s-1880s.--Rodolphus 13:28, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

The source is when Harry speaks to the Grey Lady. Butterfly the rabbit 15:30, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * The only mention to Flitwick and Dumbledore is that they asked the Grey Lady about the diadem. The text does not, however, specify when (it could be during their tenure as professors) or even if they have done so together or each in different times. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 16:11, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Main Image
It's just my opinion, but I preferred the other main image, this one's ugly. Butterfly the rabbit 18:38, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

A new image has been uploaded and has overwritten the old version. Wasn´t that against the rules? I agree with you. It´s not ugly, but worse.--Rodolphus 18:51, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Does that mean we can revert it then? Plus, the other new images on the page have all overwrited the old ones (though they are good pictures). Butterfly the rabbit 19:00, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don´t know. We should ask an Admin.--Rodolphus 19:04, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Defence Against the Dark Arts
Now that's plain speculation with no canonical evidence. Just because Flitwick administred the DADA exam in the 70s, that doesn't mean he taught that subject. We know that Minerva McGonagall administred the Theory of Charms exam in 1996 (OP31), but she wasn't the Charms Master at the time. Also, in the real-world, it is common for teachers to administer exams of another subjects (i.e. an English teacher administering a Maths examination). I'm removing that information until any other sources can confirm it. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 12:33, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Titles
Should we really list Muggle Music Professor as a title? Just because he's the Hogwarts choir conductor, doesn't mean we can just assume that he teaches Music. I'm going to remove it until a reasonable argument can be made against my decision. Butterfly the rabbit 18:29, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Main image
It's just my opinion, but I think it is necessary to change the main image to the actual younger Flitwick.That only causes more confusion in the visitors.

Images
In my opinion there are way too many images in this article. They are messing up the layout. The Potions Master 17:53, March 6, 2010 (UTC)