Talk:Albus Dumbledore

Better picture needed

 * Somebody, can you change the picture of Dumbledore from the prisonor of azkaban to the one from the sorcreres stone. It looks better than this one.
 * put the one from jos site


 * I prefer the picture from the cover of the Half-Blood Prince book, American edition.


 * In keeping with the tradition of using the movie actors for the article's Main Picture, I suggest we use this one of Richard Harris - http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/image/A1186/118619/300_118619.jpg simply because it is far closer in appearance to the Dumbledore described in the books, the one the article consistently and primarily refers to. The definitive picture for Albus Dumbledore's article should include his bright blue eyes, half-moon spectacles, colourful robes and pointed wizards hat.

Subheading

 * I need help on organizing this article. It's got good content, just needs some paraphrasing and lots of subheadings.--Joank 02:50, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Why does it say Dumbledore is a member of the International Confederation of Wizards twice?

Actors
Does anybody like the new actor for dumbledore? I have a suggestion: If you like Richard Harris more than Michael Gambon, then shouldn't you put more pictures of the Dumbledore portrayed by Richard Harris.--Darth Darth 00:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I wish they had got the actor who played Gandalf, Sir Ian McKellen. The old one was really good too because he seemed older, wiser, and more patient, the new one acts a little bit too young. Colonel Burnsides 02:13, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah,I agree.Padme829 19:56, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)Padme829
 * I concur. Dumbledore had too much energy for someone who's supposedly as old as Yoda.--Joank 02:50, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * He happens to be 750 years younger than Yoda thank ya very much.
 * The new Dumbledore is too easily angered.Dumbledore in the books doesn't ever get angry and would never grab Harry like he did in the GoF film.
 * He has very often the same expression on his face : as if he was surprised or absent-minded. If you don't read the book, you can't imagine that Dumbledore is one of the cleverest wizards.
 * I agree with all of you above. For example, when Dumbledore escorts Trelawny back into the castle and walks away from Umbridge, he yells at his students saying "Dont you all have studying to do". In the book, Dumbledore never yells at his students, ever. I also dont like David Yates, the new directer, who doesn't follow the book at all. But thats a totally different point...

Guys, Michael Gambon is not that bad as Dumbledore, I agree he is not as good as Harris. And I do agree that Sr Ian Mckellen would have been a better actor as Dumbledore.--69.66.160.78 02:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Michael Gambon is a great Dumbledore and a worthy replacement for Richard Harris. Ian McKellen turned down the role of Dumbledore simply because Harris did not like him as an actor. It was out of respect. Gambon looks like a more agile Dumbledore than Harris who was very ill when he took the role. And he'll win more doubters over in HBP.


 * I agree that perhaps somebody should put more pictures of the Richard Harris Dumbledore in the article. His physical appearance more closely matches the book (silver hair instead of Michael Gambon's grey hair, somewhat taller, clothes more like those in the book, and a generally kinder face). 66.65.74.35 17:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Michael Gambon is the characters most recent portrayer, so in my opinion the main body of the article should contain only images of him.  Mouldywart  Talkundefined 18:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that Michael Gambon is a better Dumbledore, because even thought he doesn't seem as wise, he seems stronger and more like a person that voldemort would be scared of, because i can't really see Richard Harris as a fighter, he seems just like a wise old man

Name?
Albus actually, means "white", or shining white (much like Gandalf the White?), and Rubeus means "red", I believe. Makes me think of White Mages and Red Mages from Final Fantasy, but anyway I found this out from studying geomancy, actually. (okay, it was in a witches almanac) Some of the passwords for the painting to get into the Gryffindor dorms have also been geomancy patterns. (Fortuna Major is one geomantic pattern) I might be wrong, but is Geomancy one of the classes? Just throwing hints in. Travlr23 03:12, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * What is Geomancy? Mafalda Hopkirk 19:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * According to dictionary.com, it's "divination by geographic features or by figures or lines." --Dragonc laws (talk ) 20:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

He isn't dead!!
he is dead snape killed him with the AVADA KEDAVRA spell on th 6th book

Have a look at this site, its very convincing:  Snape is not dead, so Dumbledore is. Dead as Aeris.One Star Bandit 23:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC) There is a page here discussing the theory that Dumbledore isn't dead: Is Dumbledore dead?
 * I'm with ya on that!
 * Dumbledoor is definetely dead. Snape killed him on Dumbledoor's orders.

Philosophers Stone
Dumbledore did not help create the philosophers stone, it was Flamel, in the book it simply states that he and Dumbledore worked together. Flamel is 666 in the first book and would have had to use the stone long before Dumbledore was born to stay alive

i thought dumbledore and flammel hated eaach other

Age/Schooling WTF?
Dumbledore was born in the 1840s but started at Hogwarts in 1938 - possibly at the age of 93? That doesn't make any sense. --Forgottenlord 20:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

He was born in 1881 idiot, started school in 1892 L2r... z33w0wmast3r 01:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not necessary to berate anyone - If everyone knew all the answers we wouldn't need a wikia. Mafalda Hopkirk 04:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Y'know, if you respond 7 months after someone with several revisions, before calling me an idiot, maybe look at the source material I had to work with: --forgottenlord 02:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You have a point. Forgottenlord.--Lupin &amp; Kingsley 14:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Kingsley's comment
In the movies Kinsley says:

"You may not like him, Minister, but you can't deny: Dumbledore's got style."

- Kingsley Shacklebolt to Cornelius Fudge

In the book it is Phineas Nigellus. Should this be changed? 14:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say it should either be changed or the source can be changed to Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film). -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 19:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Quotes from the books should be used exlusively in my opinion. Hufflepuff Half-Giant 19:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I second that. the movies have some non-canon elements. Admiral Carth Onasi 20:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it might make more sense to say the books are more canon than the movies. In places where the movies and books do not conflict both are canon, yet where they do the books rule. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 22:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's true. Where the books and films don't clash at all, the films can be cannon. Hufflepuff Half-Giant 06:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Biography needed
their is only a biography of his early life we need the rest of it. Me_Potter_Fan 05:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Blood status?
Why is Dumbledore's blood status given as "half-blood"? There's no indication that he was - both his parents are clearly Wizards, for one thing, and have very wizard-like names. If this is from an interview or some comment by JKR, could someone please put in a reference? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.67.144.40 (talk • contribs).
 * He's a Pureblood. His father used magic against kids, and his mother would have been ashamed to have a squib child. Hufflepuff Half-Giant 19:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * His mother was a muggle born, that makes him a half blood.--\\Captain KAJ// 14:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Then I am confused. I thought a half-blood was someone who had a magical parent and a muggle parent, like Severus Snape and Voldemort.  I figured that if both parents are magical, you're pureblood.  Yet, I guess if one of your parents is muggle-born and the other is pureblood, that still makes you half-blood?  Is that how it is? Hufflepuff Half-Giant 17:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The idea of blood purity was based on the Nuremberg laws from Nazi Germany, which explain at what point a person with Jewish heritage is not considered a Jew. I don't know where, but JK Rowling said this in an interview once. Anyway, any wizard with at least one muggle grandparent or closer ancestor is considered half-blood (assuming they have at least one wizard parent/grandparent). There's more on this on the Blood purity page. The Nuremberg laws can be found here. Admiral Carth Onasi 20:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Dumbledore is a half-blood; his mother was almost certainly Muggle-born (she was said to be in DH, by more than one character) and, as pointed out above, that makes him a half-blood. He would be like Harry, who had a pureblood wizard father and a Muggle-born witch mother. 72.39.64.248 20:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

If his mother was witch, even if he was half blood, and his father was a wizard, then Dumbledore is pureblood. You can't have a quarterblood. Mafalda Hopkirk 20:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just having two magical parents does not necessarily make the character pureblood. Harry's parents were both magical, yet because his mother was Muggle-born (meaning two of his grandparents were Muggles), he is a half-blood. Dumbledore's situation would be exactly the same. His parents are both magical, but at least two of his grandparents were Muggle. J.K. Rowling discussed this herself (as someone pointed out above in reference to Nazis and Jews) and said this: "As far as somebody like Lucius Malfoy is concerned, for instance, a Muggle-born is as ‘bad’ as a Muggle. Therefore Harry would be considered only ‘half’ wizard, because of his mother’s grandparents." It is also the same scenario with Ron and Hermione's children: they are half-bloods, because their father is a pureblood wizard and their mother is a Muggle-born witch; two of their grandparents are Muggle, the other two are magical.
 * The only debateable part is whether or not Kendra Dumbledore was, in fact, a Muggle-born witch. This is where it is first discussed in DH:
 * Doge looked wretched. Auntie Muriel cackled again and answered Harry. “Dumbledore’s mother was a terrifying woman, simply terrifying. Muggle-born, though I heard she pretended otherwise-“
 * “She never pretended anything of the sort! Kendra was a fine woman,” whispered Doge miserably, but Auntie Muriel ignored him.
 * To me, it looks like she was Muggle-born, and the part that is "rumour" is that she pretended not to be. 72.39.64.248 20:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Harry's mother was MUGGLE-BORN. Dumbledore's mother was HALF-BLOOD. It is different. Lucius Malfoy's prejudice should not dictate anyone else's standards for how blood status is determined. Of course Lucius Malfoy wants proof of blood purity going back centuries but has we know this isn't possible for anyone but the Blacks. Moreover Muriel thought Dumbledore was a fraud so I don't think anything she says can be considered true. She's more a gossip than a source of info. Mafalda Hopkirk 21:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Now to add fuel to fire - I believe I remember reading that the status of a Wizard's blood lay not with their parents, but with their grandparents. Anyone else hear this?  Also, regarding the issue of Dumbledore's blood - unless we know, for certain, the blood status of his parents, then how can we establish Dumbledore's blood status?  Muriel is not a reliable IU source, since she is relaying information second-hand. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 21:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I also remember hearing J.K. Rowling discussing the importance of grandparents with regards to blood purity. I think it was that in order to be pureblood, all your grandparents had to be magical. A Muggle-born has all Muggle grandparents, obviously, and a half-blood has anything in between. I don’t think we can establish Dumbledore’s blood status for certain, but I still think he is mostly likely half-blood. No, Muriel isn’t a reliable source, but notice how when she says Kendra Dumbledore is Muggle-born, Elphias Doge doesn’t disagree with her on that point. Muriel says Kendra was Muggle-born, but that she’s heard she pretended not to be, and the latter is what Doge protests to – “She never pretended anything of the sort!” In any case, no one ever claims she was half-blood or pure-blood. Thus, I think the article should say Dumbledore is “most likely half-blood”, or perhaps “half-blood or pure-blood”. The ambiguity about his mother’s heritage could even be included in the article. 72.39.64.248 21:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, also, the HP Lexicon lists him as half-blood and his mother as Muggle-born (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/dumbledore.html). I know that’s not necessarily proof, but it does lend some credence to the half-blood claim.

Do we know that he was Half-blood? --Lupin &amp; Kingsley 03:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. His mother was Muggle-born and his father seems to have been a pureblood. O r e a d (talk) 04:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Where does it say that? --Lupin &amp; Kingsley 04:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * His mother's blood status was revealed in Chapter 8 of Deathly Hallows. I'm actually not sure why his father is assumed to be pure-blood, though... O r e a d (talk) 04:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Headmaster Box
There is a problem with the headmaster box. It says that Dolores Umbridge succeeded Dumbledore, which she did, but dumbledore came back. - <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#1874CD">Mato <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="gray">ro183 <font face="Arial" color="#1874CD">Go Rave <font face"Arial Black" color="gray">nclaw! 00:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at the one right below it. He was also preceded by Dolores Umbridge and succeeded by McGonagall. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 02:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Where do I find the Headmaster Box? --Lupin &amp; Kingsley 01:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Elder wand owners box
Should we make a succession box (like the headmaster and head of house boxes) for Elder wand owners? I don't know how to do this, so an experienced coder should do it. I can help him find the information, though.
 * It's not a bad idea. As for the coding, I usually just copy and paste, then change it until it looks right.  Remember - the preview button is you friend! -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 14:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * On a side note, how would you reconcile the fact that Draco was the true master of the Elder Wand until disarmed by Harry, but Voldemort was the one carrying the wand? Would the succession box be Owner of the Elder Wand (as in physically controlling it), or Master of the Elder Wand?  Or both? -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 14:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You could have both but that could get very confusing. Some people woul dhave to be like "Master and Owner of the Elder Wand". -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 14:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You should have it be Master of the Elder Wand, but on Severus Snape's and Voldemort's pages, put the box in and put something like, "(Draco Malfoy actual owner)." It's an idea.  Otherwise, I say don't even include Severus and Voldemort in the succession. Hufflepuff Half-Giant 18:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Birth date
Was he born in 1881? I thought he was eighteen in late 1930s when he and Elphias plan the world tour.-Shrez32
 * Firstly, please place all new comments at the bottom of the talk page. The 1881 birthdate is taken directly from JK Rowlings official site.  Albus Dumbledore was the Wizard of the Month for September 2007. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 10:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

But wasn't Albus 117 years old when he died? --Lupin &amp; Kingsley 01:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 116 --Hamachi1993 17:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993

both of u r wrong dumbledore was 115 when he died

Quote
THANK YOU, whoever put that quote up. That's my favourite quote by D ever. Mafalda Hopkirk 19:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Traits Section
I think it would make sense to combine the "traits and personality" with "humour" as humour is part of his personality. What do you think? Mafalda Hopkirk 19:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I made it a subsection under Traits and Personality. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 20:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Gay!
You are going to find this as hard to beleive as me but JK Rowling has said in an interview that Albus Dumbledore is of the Homosexual variety, and was in love with Gellert Grindleward, dont beleve me? heres the link .--\\Captain KAJ// 14:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Seen it, believed it, it's already in the article and referenced in case people think it's vandalism, although it needs to be integrated better. At the moment, it's little more than a mention. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 14:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My carefully structured view of the Hp universe is in shambles. Admiral Carth Onasi 16:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting isnt it, my only explanation for it is that JK is indeed planning to write a novel concerning dumbledores early life..--\\Captain KAJ// 17:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is great!!!!!! It makes me really happy to hear of yet another great hero in literature is gay. I have a suggestion - The article says "G. Grindelwald, who Dumbledore was in love with." Is there perhaps a more eloquent way to say this, such as "who Dumbledore had an infatuation with"? Mafalda Hopkirk 04:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There probably is, and it needs to be integrated into the article better as it would probably redefine a lot of events. Imagine the person you loved was (perhaps indirectly) responsible for the death of your sister, and the estrangement of your brother?  And waiting until 1945 to finally face him and defeat him?  It needs to be done right, and may even need to have the entire early life section rewritten. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 07:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the duel between him and his brother had any tensions about this? Mafalda Hopkirk 14:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily a separate novel. She may have just made sure she had Dumbledore's life down so that she could keep everything straight (so to speak). I remember something about her giving a backstory to one of the minor Gryffindor boys that was useful to the actor playing him, but never made it into the books. --<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c laws (<font color="#000000">talk ) 22:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that his early life section should be rewritten, and perhaps a section in the Relationships section that goes into slightly more detail about it. I think the Grindelwald scene should be much more present, and a lot of things should just contain more detail and be organized more.
 * I would also add that his sexual orientation shouldn't become a major theme of this article, not that it has or anything. We aren't going around marking all the heterosexual characters or projecting theories about relationships with others based on their sexual preference if they're straight, so a mention of Albus' infatuation and attraction to Grindelwald, and perhaps a mention that he never married partly because he was gay should be the most we write on the subject, in my personal opinion. Hufflepuff Half-Giant 05:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, Hufflepuff Half-Giant. The issue is not his sexuality, but events from his early life that may now be seen in a different light because of it, such as his willingness to join Grindelwald in his plan to rule Wizardkind.  Later events, such as those relayed to us in the books, should not be changed as they have no bearing or whether he is gay or not.  It should also be integrated into the article in a way that seems natural, so it does not stand out like a sore thumb. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 07:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

"When the screenplay for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (film) was written, It was wrote in that Dumbledore had memories of a love life, but J.K. Rowling crossed out the entire section and wrote in the margain "Dumbledore is gay."" - Citation on this? Mafalda Hopkirk 16:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read the news article where it was stated, so it is a real comment. I'll see if I can find a link on mugglenet.com or veritaserum.com. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 18:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, i was just making sure it was real, i guess i feel protective of AD!! Mafalda Hopkirk 18:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Recent Edit
It looks huge from the "recent changes" screen (-2000 bits or something?) but I just wanted to clarify - I changed it to past tense as he is deceased, restructured the biography section to have Family and Career categories (as information about both subjects were interspersed throughout the article) and added onto the personality category with a section on LOVE (to add info about GG and also on his affection for all his beloved friends). I also added a part about his death which ought to be expanded upon. I just wanted to clarify that as it might appear from the -2000 bits that there was some kind of vandalism ;p Mafalda Hopkirk 20:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Dumbledore is gay
I know that this will be controversial, but I think that Dumbledore should be completly discredited due to the fact that he is a f-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harry Potter Fantic 1 (talk • contribs).
 * ^ Wow, you know what's interesting, "Harry Potter Fantic"? That i think you should be completely banned due to the fact that you are an ignorant hate-mongerer. Mafalda Hopkirk 01:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree it is people like you who are what is wrong with the world!!!Animalfriend

Why this page(Dumbledore'a) was protected and if write Dumbledore is gay? I waiting to answer. Karutalk 12:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

What? Admiral Carth Onasi 15:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you mind if i put my two cents in? I looked at Karu's edit and I agree it should have been taken out - because Dumbledore has no "gay role in the series." His persuasion has been revealed to us after the series has ended, and there is absolutely zero text in the books that would indicate his homosexuality. For us to include that in the "role in the series", it would only be our theories or blind guessing that would tie that into the books in any way. I feel that theories and blind guessing are inappropriate for an encyclopedia. (However, where theories are included in an encyclopedia, they must have numerous examples to support them.) Also, i personally think it would be incredibly disrespectful to JKR and to Dumbledore (who I have as much respect for as I do for "real" persons) for us to put these intimate details into Dumbledore's articles without extreme thoughtfulness, sensitivity, and wording them in the same way as we would want an article about ourselves to be written. It's just the right thing to do, given our great love for JKR and her work. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I refuse to believe that Professor Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore is a homosexual,not even if JKR says he is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Professor Albus Dumbledore (talk • contribs).
 * You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. However, please be aware that the guideline of this Wiki is that Rowling's word is law, which means that our official stance is that he is since Rowling has stated it as such. -  Cavalier One ( Wizarding Wireless Network ) 08:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

After reading about Dumbledore's early life in Deathly Hallows, it seems obvious that he is gay. Loving Grindelwald explains everything that he did when he was young.Icecreamdif 22:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I dont think she can deside after writing all the books she didnt say it in any of the books if she wanted him gay she should have said it in the book and besides you cant be putting stuff like that in a kids book Albus is not gay


 * why can't you put stuff like that in a kids book? if you can put things between a man and a woman, then their is nothing wrong with a man and a man in a kids book. Being gay has only been considered something that little kids shouldn't know about because ignorant people like you believe it to be wrong.

So what if Dumbledore was gay? That just meant that he couldn't find a woman to love. If J. K. Rowling wanted him to be gay, it was for a good reason. And that reason is so that the Professor would be so blinded by love that he wouldn't have even given a second thought to what Grindelwald was planning to do. And further more, being gay is not bad, it's the morons who make fun of it and make it seem like a bad thing. Dumbledore did not show any signs of being gay in any of the books, so what if he was no longer gay? What if he gave up on being gay? Did that ever cross anyone's minds? I thought Dumbledore was a great person, a clever wizard, and a kind teacher, and anyone who had the pleasure of knowing him was lucky. He didn't let his personal beliefs interfere with him teaching the many students of Hogwarts. So what if Dumbledore was gay? So what? Random Siggy about Sirius!! 23:14, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * Rowling has definately said that Dumbledore lived a "chaste life," and that, after Grindelwald showed his true colors that Dumbledore became "quite asexual." --Parodist 00:14, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Gryffindor ??
In the article it is written that Dumbledore has been Head of Gryffindor House and Transfiguration Professor. What is exactly the source for this information? I know that Hermione states in chapter six of the first book that she "heard" he was in Gryffindor, but this does not seems enough. 84.221.48.184 14:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In Chapter 17 of Chamber of the Secrets, Tom Marvolo Riddle states, "Only the Transfiguration teacher, Dumbledore, seemed to think Hagrid was innocent." As for Dumbledore's House, it's true that in the first book Hermione only says she heard a rumour he was in Gryffindor, but in the GoF movie, Dumbledore remarks to Harry while visiting him in his Gryffindor dormitory, "I never liked these curtains. Set them on fire in my fourth year. By accident, of course." This is an addition on the part of the screenwriters, I know, but I think that if Dumbledore wasn't in Gryffindor, JKR would've let them know, given the fact that she told them Dumbledore was gay after she heard a line about an old girlfriend of Dumbledore that was included in an early draft of the HBP script. I suppose if we truly want to err on the side of caution, though, we shouldn't state categorically that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor, only that Hermione heard a rumour he was. <font color="Green">&#x2605; <font face="Times" color="green">S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 07:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

You would think he was in Ravenclaw. --Lupin &amp; Kingsley 22:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

It was never stated that he was the HEAD of Gryffindor House though. Given his general predisposition to avoiding power (and that it likely wouldn't be a factor in being Head - there was Derwent, who was a healer before and -shudder- Umbridge who was just a teacher, though her case was exceptional) he probably wouldn't have wanted to be. I still think that the man and the failings are more Ravenclaw, but I'm pretty sure that JKR intended him to be a Gryff.


 * Dumbledore's aversion to power never dissuaded him from becoming Headmaster, the highest position at Hogwarts, so I don't think would've kept him from taking on the lower role of Head of House. <font color="Green">&#x2605; <font face="Times" color="green">S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 03:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Dumbledore's possesions
I noticed that toward the bottom, it said that Dumbledore was "owner of the Cloak". I'd like to argue that Dumbledore never owned the Cloak, that he had in fact borrowed it from James Potter. He was in Possession of it as James' death but he did not own it because it belonged to the Potter Family, and since James had died, the owner of it was Harry. The Cloak passed on from James to Harry. Dumbledore simply borrowed it.


 * I can see your point. But I think Dumbledore can be considered a owner of the cloak, an "informal" owner, seen as the cloak wasn't his, but was in his possession after James's murder. So maybe the term should be changed to "Possessor of the Cloak"?... -- <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="navy">Seth Cooper <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="silver">Owl Post  00:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

To some degree I can agree with that. But the idea that he is an "owner" of the cloak because he borrowed something from someone and never gave it back, because of his death I still don't think it makes him owner. we could add it to a list of possessions because Dumbledore did in fact have it for a while before returning it to the family which owns it.--128.208.152.118 01:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with the "Possessor of the Cloak" idea. -- ÈnŔîčö Hallows.svg(<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl ) 17:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Tidy Up
Have been doing some work on this article over the last few days as some of the info was incorrect and there were quite a few spelling mistakes, please feel free to help! Darth Jadious 12:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Your attention to this article is appreciated. :) <font color="Green">&#x2605; <font face="Times" color="green">S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 20:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Gay?
Who cares if dumbledores gay?! he was like...the best wizard of ALL time, he died to take the dark lord down! HAHA! to me, GAY or not, HE'S A HERO! wouldn't care if he's a transv---whoa i better stop there Delaynek9 13:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Dumbeldore is Dumbledore, whatever? It's not important if he is gay or not--Thorning 16:18, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

New Picture
I can't say I much care for this new photo of Dumbledore in his infobox. It is fuzzy, and looks slightly outdated (perhaps from PoA), and is overall more Lord of the Rings-ish than Harry Potter. --Parodist 20:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It was changed by an anon. I rolled it back. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 20:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Chronology
The article says that Dumbledore became Headmaster and then defeated Grindelwald. However, this is incorrect: Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald in 1945 and became headmaster in 1955. [| link]


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Changing Age
I saw his age is 115 but he died at age 116. I chaged that but then someone else put it back to 115. I've even read 1.8: The Locket and Death and it even states his death at 116. and the math also says so. [1997-1881=116] so can someone fix that? --Hamachi1993 17:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993


 * Actually I think it would be 115. It's indicated he was born around July or August, and he died in June, so he would have been just a month or two shy of his 116th birthday. Nick O&#39;Demus 17:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm... maybe ur right.. is there an interview that stated he died at 116 [which im trying to hunt down at the time of this comment], heres something: In an interview after the publication of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, J.K. Rowling said that Hogwarts had a different Head by the time Harry Potter's children arrived in 2017, saying that Minerva was "getting on a bit". This is a bit odd, as Minerva would have been around ninety years old when Harry's children attended Hogwarts, and Dumbledore was 116 at the time of his death. Minerva did not seem the sort to take early retirement any more than Dumbledore was. --Hamachi1993 23:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993


 * Perhaps, but that comment doesn't cite a source. There's this interview archived at that mentions how McGonagall had retired by 2017 as she was "getting on a bit", but it doesn't mention Dumbledore's age.


 * | Here's something, not sure if it will help though also read the bolded part above. --Hamachi1993 03:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993

Is the picture of a teenage Albus Dumbledore in this article an actual image from Deathly Hallows? -Parodist 23:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, it was just the actor. I removed it. -- <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="navy">Seth Cooper [[Image:Moon.jpg|25px]] (<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="silver">Owl Post ) 23:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

gay
you failed to mention hes gay


 * Maybe you should actually read the article before saying that. I would advise you to read the Studies at Hogwarts, Relationships and Behind the scenes sections. I'm getting really tired of everyone bringing this up on this talk page... -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 18:33, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Non cannon quote?
Wouldn´t the quote in Relationships/Bellatrix L. be considered non cannon, as the book talk happens between Albus and Amycus? Bellatrix isn´t even known to have participated in the book.--Rodolphus 12:51, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * According to HPW:CANON, Bellatrix did participate on the battle, but she didn't go up into the Tower with Greyback/Draco/Yaxley/Amycus/Alecto. I've changed the quote and the text to reflect the canon. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 14:22, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Death?
Wouldn't he have died in June 1996 and not 1997? It was Harry's sixth year not his seventh.


 * Book 6 takes place in the 1996–1997 school year, so when Dumbledore died at the end it would have been around June of 1997. - <font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="FF8000">Nick O'Demus 08:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

snape
did snape become headmaster of hogwarts after dumbledore died?


 * Not immediately, but yes. After the Ministry of Magic was taken over by the Death Eaters on August 1, 1997, Snape was made Headmaster of Hogwarts. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 00:54, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

bueno, okay...
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 * he is saying this  "seems that there are many messages here, so I have to put my signature ... Bad Lisa 19:06, November 1, 2009 (UTC) ecologist band, sang for the simpson movie ... looking good. GREEN ... GREEN DAY !!!!!!! WIKI Item: American Idiot"  this by the way is spam.

Will
What's the name of the article about Dumbledore's Will? -- <font color="Green">GrouchMan (<font color="Green" size="1">Send an owl then scram!! ) 00:36, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Albus Dumbledore's will. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 00:38, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Seth!! You're such a great help to me! -- <font color="Green">GrouchMan (<font color="Green" size="1">Send an owl then scram!! ) 00:44, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Dumbledore's Picture under 'Physical Appearance'
I know that some of you may disagree, but I would like to make a suggestion to change the picture of Dumbledore in the section 'Physical Appearance'. The reason being that the paragraph under this sub-heading discusses Dumbledore's look in regards to the books' descriptions of him, rather than the way he is currently portrayed by Michael Gambon in the films (post-Chamber of Secrets). As such, I really think that Michael Gambon's Dumbledore does not truly fit the image from the books. For example, Rowling's Dumbledore is known to have 'twinkling blue eyes' and wear exuberant, majestic robes whereas Gambon's eyes are much darker and his robes are nearly always the same colour and rather plain style. Another notable difference is that Dumbledore constantly wears his half-moon spectacles in the books, yet Gambon rarely does. Don't get me wrong, this picture of Gambon is fantastic and being a close-up, shows very little of his robes anyway; however, I just think that we need an image of Richard Harris's Dumbledore in place of the current one. Personally, I believe Harris to have portrayed Dumbledore more accurately than Michael Gambon but aside from that, it is undeniable that Harris was dressed in great resemblance to the books' description of Dumbledore. Save for the broken nose, Harris was almost the physical embodiment of this entirely fictional character, and so I think he should be pictured under 'Physical Appearance'. Does anyone agree?--Yin&amp;Yang 00:15, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * well Dumbledore was also described as a old man who looked and had the energy of a much younger man, which Michael Gambon is much better at then Harris, and that is one of the most important things about Dumbledore, is that he is old but acts young. that is much more important that his robes, eyes and glasses.


 * Like I said, our opinions on who portrays Dumbledore better is not relevant to this discussion. We are strictly talking about his appearance. Harris's Dumbledore fits the bill more than Gambon's Dumbledore in terms of faithfulness to the book which is why I think the image should be changed.--Yin&amp;Yang 01:28, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Harris's Dumbledore is more faithful to the books in terms of appearance. However, in my opinion, Gambon's portrayal is more accurate personality-wise. Gambon's Dumbledore is wry and whimsical, in comparison to Harris's warm and grandfatherly, plus Gambon manages to capture Dumbledore's negative side. That said, I don't have a problem with changing the image in the "Physical appearance" section to one of Harris, given that his portrayal more closely resembles Dumbledore as he is described in the books. But there is an argument to be made that Gambon's portrayal is more recent in terms of the series' chronology and thus more representative. <font color="Green">&#x2605; <font face="Times" color="green">S <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">a <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r <font face="Times" color="green">s <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t <font face="Times" color="green">u <font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f <font face="Times" color="green">f <font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!) 05:39, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I thought of the last point as well but then again, there are several other images of Richard Harris in the Dumbledore page despite them being reasonably dated. I promised myself that I wouldn't get bogged down in the 'Who is a better portrayer of Dumbledore?' debate but I really have to add something small now that you noted a few points for your opinion, Starstuff (lol). While I agree that Gambon acts quite humourously, a lot of it has to do with the script he is reading off. We did, afterall gilmpse the funnier side of Dumbledore in the ending of the first film. Remember those few lines of Dumbledore's while Harry lies in the Hospital Wing? "Alas! Earwax", was a great one, in particular. To tell the truth, however, I think that Gambon takes the humour too far in his tone of voice. For example, the way he says, "Good day, Champions!" in the Goblet of Fire is not how Rowling's Dumbledore would say it at all. Then there's the argument that Harris was too old and frail to have played in subsequent films, but I think he just fooled everyone with his acting skills. The slower movements he made as Dumbledore were not contributed to his age at all, rather his portrayl of the character. If you watch the film 'Gladiator' (produced only a year before the Philosopher's Stone), Harris can be seen riding a horse at the age of 70. He appears to have been capable of as much vigor as Gambon when he wanted to.--Yin&amp;Yang 07:18, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

I agree that an argument over who is best at playing Dumbledore is counter productive. However I feel I should remind you (Yin&Yang) that the point of discussions like these is to reach an agreement before any changes are made, not to ask for peoples opinions and then make the change regardless. As you can see, not everyone agrees. Personally I fell that images of Richard Harris should only be used in the portrayal section, wheras the main article should consistently contain images of Gambon's Dumbledore. Jayden Matthews 09:39, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Well, to be honest Jayden, I awaited for the permission to change the image and I got that permission from Starstuff. I would have thought that enough, unless you expected a full-blown discussion from every other user which is even more counter-productive than opinions on Dumbledore, I'm sure. I mean, all that discussion on the Umbridge Talk page seems to have led nowhere unless someone has changed that infobox by now (I haven't checked yet). I still don’t see your logic behind why you disagree with the image, though. Yes, that image is a little old but if a paragraph gives a detailed description of someone or something, then the image should match it as close as possible, right? Gambon is a terrific actor (otherwise he wouldn’t be Sir Michael Gambon), but he does not match the physical description as perfectly as Harris does.--Yin&amp;Yang 00:28, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

You don't need permission to make simple changes. And I wasn't suggesting that you wait for everyone to reply. However, you did ask for peoples opinions on wether or not the image should be changed, and there were objections, yet you changed it anyway. All I'm saying is there is little point in asking for peoples opinions if you don't intend to respect them. For the record, I don't beleive that Gambon's portrayal is disloyal to the books, and I think that as the most recent and best known actor to play the character we should only use images of Gambon in the main article, and of course Toby Regbo when we get one. As far as I'm aware the reason Umbridge's infobox has not been changed is because there are objections to the creation of the convicit individual infobox, and so it will have to be voted on. Jayden Matthews 11:07, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, i do believe that Michael Gambon is DISLOYAL to the books, because He NEVER read the books (that's according from him). He also once said that there's no point in reading Rowling's books. (Click here to read the Los Angeles Times article) And you know what, just before reading this conversations, i have plan in making a list on my Blogsite entitled "Top 5 Most Stupid scenes in Harry Potter movies" and the Top 1 is the scene in GoF where Dumbledore (Michael Gambon) strike/attacked Harry in the Trophy room just after the Goblet of Fire selection of champions. Remember that scene? Michael Gambon's portrayal on that is 100% opposite on the character of Dumbledore as described in the books. Another stupid portrayal scene on Dumbledore is when He shouted at the students in HP5 (Sacking of Trewlaney scene) --<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="darkblue">ÈnŔîčö DC [[Image:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]](<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl! ) 15:32, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Jayden, I don't know whose posts you have been reading but there wasn't a single "objection" to my changing the image prior to it being reverted. Starstuff agreed, and 'Arisheps' didn't even mention the discussion in question so I wasn't disregarding anyone's opinion (and I never do). The only reason why I asked for permission to change that image was because I have been involved in several debates over similar edits I made on another wiki before - in those cases, I didn't bother with asking for opinions because the edits were so minor (or so I thought) adn I thought I might recieve the same reaction here. Now are you telling me that had I not asked politely, my edit wouldn't have been reverted? Is that my reward for trying to be considerate? Also, why can't Richard Harris appear in that 'Physical Appearance' section when he is present in the main article on several occasions anyway? I'm sorry Jayden, but I am going to replace the image with the one of Richard Harris seeing as I really didn't need permission in the first place. All I ask is that you do what you probably would have done if I hadn't been, as Ron would say, "thick" enough to ask for community advice, and just ignore the change.--Yin&amp;Yang 11:31, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I agree that we should only use the most recent actor/s to play the character. So in the case of Voldemort we would remove images of Christian Coulson and Richard Bremner, and have only images of Hero Fienns-Tiffin, Frank Dillane and Ralph Fienns. Same with Dumbledore, Toby Regbo/Michael Gambon only. Also Yin&Yang you were told by Seth Cooper not to change the image. <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#406B2E">J <font face="Microsoft Sans Serif"><font color="#8DB87A">a <font color="#406B2E">y <font color="#8DB87A">c <font color="#406B2E">e  <font face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:8;">Darkmark.png•<font color="#406B2E">Avada Kedavra •<font color="#8DB87A">Crucio •<font color="#406B2E">Imperio • 13:24, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, i don't agree on removing the images of Christian Coulson as Voldemort and other old images of Voldemort shown in the previous films. They are also part of the series. If we all follow that reasoning, we should also remove and never use ALL the old images of other characters, places, objects etc. that has been shown in the previous films. For example, the images of Baby Harry Potter, The First photo on The Burrow and blah, blah, blah... --<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="darkblue">ÈnŔîčö DC [[Image:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]](<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl! ) 15:06, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Look, there is no wiki policy that specifically states that the images of all the characters on an article page must be those of which feature the most recently portraying actor of a character. As I have said several times now, Harris is already on the article page so why does that mean there can't be one more picture of him? If changing pictures is considered a small edit, then why is there so much strife about this? The pure fact is that Richard Harris's Dumbledore was much more physically similar to the Dumbledore described in the books and hence the paragraph under 'Physical Appearance'. It does not make sense for this paragraph to state Dumbledore with blue eyes, a long un-tethered beard and half-moon glasses if the image next to it does not follow up. When do you see a newspaper print regarding a natural disaster accompanied by captioned picture relating to Madonna's new album? I'm only asking for one measley picture of Richard Harris to be in the place that suits it most. Oh and Jayce Carver, I doubt you would be able to get your wish and remove every image of Christian Coulson and Richard Bremner. Why you would suggest that is beyond me.--Yin&amp;Yang 14:50, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou You-Know-Who, well said. If something is old, why does that mean it's disposable?--Yin&amp;Yang 15:13, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Although I have no objections on having images of Harris as Dumbledore in the article, I do not like the one you proposed, since he is shown with a Crystal Ball; Albus Dumbledore is described as being sceptical of Divination's provenance - in The Order of the Phoenix Dumbledore claims he was once on the verge of dropping it from the curriculum. However, he was forced to continue the subject to protect Sybill Trelawney from the Death Eaters. -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 16:17, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

It was actually my idea to remove images of the older actors. This wouldn't aply to the baby Harry, as he appears in the same film as Dan as a younger version of the character. Just like Toby Regbo is going to appear in Deathly Hallows as the young Dumbledore alongside Michael Gambon as the same character. I never said there was a policy, but I am proposing one, because, as an encyclopedia I feel we should be consistent. Enrico, I understand how you feel about Gambon but the truth is he has no obligation to read the books if he doesn't want too. I'm sure he's not the only actor in Harry Potter who hasn't read them. It's also important to remember that he is reading from a script and taking instructions from a director. He is not responsible for how the character is interpreted. Jayden Matthews 17:06, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I only reacted after i read Jayce's comment regarding the removal of all images of Christian Coulson as Voldemort and Which the better portrayal between Richard Harris and Michael Gambon. But on the case of the image of Richard Harris with the Crystal Ball, i strongly AGREE on Seth, and after his last response with the statement clear as the white sky, i hope we should rest this case. cheers! =) --<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="darkblue">ÈnŔîčö DC [[Image:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]](<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl! ) 04:39, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I agree that this is not the most important issue in the world. Also there was a case on Wookieepedia simmilair to what we are disccusing where images of Clive Revill (who was the original actor to play Darth Sidious) were replaced with ones of Ian McDirmid because he was the most recent actor to play the character and it was more canocial to use images of him. I'm not saying we have to do this, I'm just pointing out to those who reacted with shock when I suggested the idea that this is not unheard of. Jayden Matthews 10:32, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

By all means, if any of you can find a better picture of Richard Harris for the 'Physical Appearance' section, I'd love to see it. Although, it would have to be one that isn't already on the article page. Just to clarify though, I did think of the crystal ball and Dumbledore's personal dislike of pretty much all things Divination before adding that image of Harris. I simply couldn't find another picture of Harris's Dumbledore that gave such a front-on view. However, we are talking about physical appearance here so the fact that Dumbledore disliked divination matters very little.--Yin&amp;Yang 11:14, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here is one other possible picture, what do you think of this?--Yin&amp;Yang 11:34, November 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. It has the same problem as the former... How about this one? -- <font style="color:#333333;"> Seth Cooper <font style="background:#333333;color:white;"> owl post! 12:52, November 8, 2009 (UTC)



Yes, that one is also very good. Should we use it, or possibly just crop the picture I gave before to exclude the crystal-ball looking object in the background? I don't really mind either way, they're both great.--Yin&amp;Yang 02:44, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Here is that same image again with the "crystal-ball" in the background removed. I think that's better now.--Yin&amp;Yang 13:13, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Harris's Dumbledore
Okay, I decided to do a little research to determine whether or not Richard Harris would have been up to portraying the more high-action sequences in the films. I have removed a certain few lines in the article page due to speculative and rather biased comments regarding the differences in Harris's and Gambon's Dumbledores. Therefore, this new section in Dumbledore's talk page is my way of explaining why I did that. It is almost completely widely agreed upon that Harris, had he lived, would not have been up to the role of, for example, playing Voldemort's opposing duellist in 'Order of the Phoenix'. Also suggested is that he showed signs of his own 'advanced age' in the first and second films of Harry Potter. Now, previously I had given my thoughts on this matter, indicating that Harris deliberately moved slowly and even tampered with his voice to show his character's personality. To support this theory, please click this link for a Youtube video -->. It is a scene from 'The Count of Monte Cristo', a 2002 film, in which Harris is clearly seen to show "the vigor of a much younger man". In particular, please focus on the scenes in which he (a) teaches sword-fighting (at minute 7:52) to a prison inmate and (b) helps capture a rat - actually falling to his knees in the process and quickly standing upright again (at minute 4:42 - 4:56).--Yin&amp;Yang 04:22, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

This is just something a little extra to reinforce the absolute fact that Richard Harris was not ill-abled to perform. My last post discussed, more closely, Harris's physical bodily movements. Now onto his voice, which some people believe to naturally have been as soft as it was in the first two Harry Potter films (whenever Dumbledore spoke one-on-one). Firstly, listen to Harris's voice during Dumbledore's scenes of "public speaking" i.e. when he talks to the school in the Great Hall. His voice is as clear as it would have been when he was twenty years old. Secondly, here is another youtube video link that shows Harris on the (now cancelled) 'Rosie O'Donnell' show in 2001, only two days before the release of the first film. I urge you to please watch it:. In it, you can hear Harris's voice very clearly and does not once, drop to a whisper. Might I add that he had quite a sense of humor, too? In conclusion, Richard Harris deliberately portrayed Dumbledore the way he wanted entirely. He was not restrained by age.--Yin&amp;Yang 08:29, November 10, 2009 (UTC)