User talk:Starstuff

Welcome back!
Have to chat sometime when it's not so late (or early as the case may be :) --Ironyak1 (talk) 10:05, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's been an eventful couple of weeks, hasn't it? Glad I'm Canadian. ;) &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!) 10:15, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * I wish you warm welcome back as well. I'm glad you decided to reconsider. ProfessorTofty (talk) 23:20, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Grindelwald image
Hi Starstuff. Is there any chance you could authorize a change to Grindelwald's main image? I think it's fairly obvious that the image should be from Fantastic Beasts, but apparently a vote from five years ago is preventing the image from being updated. I understand the need to establish consensus in most cases, but there should be exceptions, and this is clearly one. I think it's pointlessly bureaucratic to insist on holding another vote just to get the image updated properly... however if that is what needs to happen could you please set it up? Cheers. - 08:58, November 21, 2016 (UTC)


 * What is the source of this image? As far as I know, there hasn't been an front-facing image of Grindelwald from Fantastic Beasts released through official channels, only the picture of the back of his head. And if it's something someone captured by taking a picture in a movie theatre with their camera phone, well, in most countries, photographing or filming a screen in a theatre is considered piracy and against the law (yeah, snapping a single frame of a movie is worlds apart from recording the whole thing, but them's the rules). Images obtained through such means present legal issues and probably wouldn't fall under the protection of fair-use provisions. So we should wait until an image becomes available from a legitimate source. And, even then, we should probably still hold a vote to establish consensus and prevent inevitable edit wars. There's no single standard for determining which image should be featured in the infobox of a character's article. Some prefer to use an image of the appearance from the most recent release (in Grindelwald's case, that would be from Fantastic Beasts); some prefer the most recent appearance in terms of the internal chronology of the franchise (in Grindelwald's case, that would be Michael Byrne, who appears in a scene set in 1998); and some just prefer to pick whatever image they deem most ideal in terms of quality. Discussions and votes are generally the best method of hashing out a consensus. &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!) 09:41, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Credence
Sorry - JKR's comment was just my short-hand summary. The hint in the film & script is that a piece of the Obscurus is seen slipping away. The confirmation comes from Heyman in that there is a deleted scene of Credence leaving NY afterwards and that he is in - see the article ref for Credence in the cast list there. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:01, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Talk Page
Can you give your two cents on the Theseus Scamander talk page? P.S. Welcome back. Kindly never leave again -- we have missed you! Please and thank you.--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 15:16, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Bakery timeframe
On Henry you have February 1927 as the timeframe for that scene - where did you get this from? I ask because Case of Beasts has some related props with March 1927 on them (Flour order forms and a calendar in the Bakery). I'll upload them later but figured I'd ask in case there is conflicting info to sort out. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:01, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * The scene heading of Scene 123 (the establishing shot of Jacob's newly-opened bakery) is described as being set "three months later" in the official screenplay book. The main part of the film is set in December 1926, so I just tacked on three months, or at least I thought I tacked on three months. Seems my math is as good as JKR's. :/ &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!) 18:07, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox themes
Just an FYI, I think the color themes for the Individual infobox may be hiding out in MediaWiki:InfoboxColours.css. Perhaps you could try changing a value there and see if that works? If so, it should be pretty straight forward to add the extra themes and we can complete the changeover (if not, the hunt continues). Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:26, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

Macedonia
Macedonia countri did not called MACEDONIA it called Former  Y'ugoslav' Republic of Macedonia and if you doubt reed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Macedonia at wikipedia.Ververisd (talk) 08:45, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Both those links could and should have been in internal format, thus: Macedonia, Republic of Macedonia. And incidentally, open wikis such as Wikipedia are not valid sources, as they are only as good as their last editor. — RobertATfm (talk) 09:14, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

Angelina Appleby
I'm glad you accepted that picture. I have had it on my phone for the last two and a half years, and at one point wanted to upload it. But I think I misunderstood the guidelines to what you were allowed to upload, so I just never did. Glad I changed my mind.

SiriusLeeNott (talk) 21:54, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

RE:History vs. historiography
I know, "historiography" just seemed a more to-the-point term for a category encompassing "Historians" and "Archives": both the writers of History as a discipline and record-keeping seem, to me at least, to have to do with historiography, broadly speaking. Though I understand the semantic rub. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 00:49, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for The Tip
Sorry for adding pages to the wrong categories. That and I accidentally put Category:Spells of Unknown Incantation on the page for the Cushioning Charm / I miss took it for another page I was looking at. sup> (Aiden1700's) 14:19, December 5, 2016 (UTC) ]] 14:19, December 5, 2016 (UTC)14:19, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism in Harry Potter
I'll give it to you that no direct mention of the word 'Zoroastrianism' or "Zoroaster" is made in the HP canon, however I would like to point out that the root word "MAGI" (from which the modern English words "MAGIC", "MAGIZOOLOGY", "MAGICAL" and "MAGICIAN" all derive) comes from the 6th century B.C.E. Zoroastrian term for their followers, specifically, their priests who practiced specific rituals with the intention of invoking supernatural powers (what we today would refer to as 'magic'). They weren't the first to do so, obviously (cthonic gods and goddesses were worshipped by much older civilizations), but they were the first to codify their 'magical summonings' and other such practices in writing. Our westernized understanding of what magic is/isn't is primarily based upon Zoroastrian activities.

Ditto for the science of Astrological divination, which IS a course studied in Hogwarts (called merely "Divination") and upon which the Centaurs' entire social structure is based.

So, no, Zoroastrianism isn't specifically mentioned, but it's interpretation of the cosmos and in its practices of that faith are a primary influence upon the HP universe. Without Zoroastrian's defined brand of "magic" and the delineation of its practices carried down through the ages, all the way to JKR's belief system on the subject, HP would simply be a story about some people running around using modern weapons to stop a government coup by Nazi-like bigots.


 * Since Zoroastrianism hasn't been mentioned within Potter canon as we define it, even indirectly (say as "that monotheistic religion that starts with 'Z'"), it shouldn't be mentioned within the main body of an in-universe article. The main bodies of in-universe articles are for presenting canonical information about the Potter world from an in-universe point-of-view (i.e., as if the fictional characters, things, and places in the books/films actually exist, and as if the fictional events actually happened).


 * There's some leeway given in allowing the presentation of information not presented in canon in an in-universe article if it's necessary to define a subject, e.g. Detroit is never explicitly stated to be an American city within a canon source, but we can assume that the real world location of the city carries over to the Potterverse. Similarly, black holes (mentioned on the cover of A Brief History of Time, a book featured in the third Potter film) are never described/defined within a canon source, but we can assume what they are carries over from reality for the purpose of defining them. But this exception to the general rule only applies to things that are mentioned within canon, which Zoroastrianism isn't.


 * But it's fine to discuss the real cultural influences behind things in the books/films within "Behind the scenes" sections. You could probably work in a brief summary of how Zoroastrian religious beliefs and practices influenced the Western conception of "magic," and thus how magic is depicted within the HP books/films, into the "Behind the scenes" sections of magic, divination, or other relevant articles. &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!) 21:37, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Goldstein's Bookcase
Hey - just wanted to let you know that the new Fantastic Beasts exhibit at the WB Tour in Hollywood includes a picture of the Goldstein sister's bookcase. Mugglenet has a low resolution version, but figured you might be interested to help keep an eye out for a readable version. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 03:29, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Two Mistakes
Sorry for this but I accidentally added Spells of Unknown Incantation to the Cushioning Charm and Flintifors. I'll look at all of the ones I messed up with. I don't know how to undo it. But do you? User talk:Aiden1700's) 016:00, December 13, 2016 (UTC)--Aiden1700&#39;s

Case of Beasts template
FYI - I separated out into it's own template  as it's not a "Fantastic Beasts..." title. Also is going to get increasingly complicated with the future films, screenplays, games, etc so easier to keep these companion books with differing titles separate IMHO. Hope that makes sense!

PS Do you want me to add a page option so it can be cited as = The Case of Beasts ... page 27

PPS Do you have a copy now? It's another great MinaLima creation! Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 01:27, December 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * 1. Good idea in terms of spinning off Cases of Beasts into its own template. Regarding future films, it would probably be easiest to create new templates for each film, i.e.,  , etc.
 * 2. The page option function is also a good idea.
 * 3. I've had a copy for a while now. Best behind-the-scenes book about the films to date, hands down. :) &#x2605; S t a r s t u f f  (Owl me!)


 * Good idea about - will add that in soon as we already have FB2 appearances confirmed. Also I'll add in the page option on CB.
 * Yeah, MinaLima really outdid themselves! If I can coax some life out of my scanner there are many great images to capture for the book covers, bottle labels, pastry drawings (gotta love that Jacob put these in a loan application :) and of course the explanation for Newt's "expulsion". --Ironyak1 (talk) 02:02, December 16, 2016 (UTC)