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</p><p>Today's topic will be, whether a harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Werewolf is a harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Beast or a harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Being! Whilst humans are considered Beings (after all, they are the ones that created these two categories), we also have wolves, which are, quiet certainly Beasts.</p><p>
</p><p>Should Werewolves be treated as beings, with more rights when it comes to representation within the magical world, than say, harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Merpeople? Or should they rather be treated as beasts, mindless creatures without the capacity to linguistically interact with others? What side of theirs shows the most, the wolf or the human?</p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Remember, you get bonus points if you add links in your answer! (Remember to put a space in between the link and the parentheses, or else the link won't work!)</p><p>
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<p>harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Werewolves are part human and part beast... means their nature is they will behave as beast at full moon day only... this their nature... but even if they bite a innocent when they are not transformed also it will make a difference in his life...</p><p>If you take harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fenrir_Greyback, he is a bad one... for taking revenge he misuae his right by positioning himself on a full moonday near Lupin and attacked him when he was 5... it's very unfair and crucial... he attacked Bill intently when he was not transformed... if we see only Fenrir we will tell them as not worth being, they can only be a beast...</p><p>
</p><p>Now we take harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Remus_lupin... very kind... good friend... care taking... loyal... eventhough he behave weird at full moon that was without his knowledge... he is innocent at the full moon too...</p><p>
</p><p>Some people who are bitten by were wolf are misusing it by thinking they have got a some super power to over rule others...</p><p>
</p><p>While someone think it as justlike any dog bite and taking wolf bane potions at every full moon and behaving themselves...</p><p>
</p><p>If you notice some human beings are also like that only... power hungry... greedy... some are kind... lovable... even we are calling them as humans...</p><p>
</p><p>So why we shouldn't we tell werewolves as being rather than beast... because if we call them as beast it will hurt innocent of them too... </p><p>
</p><p>Their nature is when they are doing mistake they are not themselves... but some are misusing it...</p><p>
</p><p>So we can call them as harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Being rather than beast...</p><p>-------------------</p><p>❤Fifteen Points to Fred the coolest weasley for Gryffindor❤</p>
</p><p>Now we take harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Remus_lupin... very kind... good friend... care taking... loyal... eventhough he behave weird at full moon that was without his knowledge... he is innocent at the full moon too...</p><p>
</p><p>Some people who are bitten by were wolf are misusing it by thinking they have got a some super power to over rule others...</p><p>
</p><p>While someone think it as justlike any dog bite and taking wolf bane potions at every full moon and behaving themselves...</p><p>
</p><p>If you notice some human beings are also like that only... power hungry... greedy... some are kind... lovable... even we are calling them as humans...</p><p>
</p><p>So why we shouldn't we tell werewolves as being rather than beast... because if we call them as beast it will hurt innocent of them too... </p><p>
</p><p>Their nature is when they are doing mistake they are not themselves... but some are misusing it...</p><p>
</p><p>So we can call them as harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Being rather than beast...</p><p>-------------------</p><p>❤Fifteen Points to Fred the coolest weasley for Gryffindor❤</p>
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Short version:
harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Ministry definition defines a harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/being by its understanding of wizard law and ability to form it. Loss of moral compass is a loss of appreciation for law (wrong or right). Classification is based on Moral understanding.
A harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/human infected with harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Lycanthropy but in human form or under the effects of a harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wolfsbane_potion or similar = Moral - Being
A harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Werewolf in Wolf form becomes a different species incapable of distinguishing wrong from right= Amoral - Beast
...probably...
Long version:
Perhaps we need to start locking down some variables here.
In my original post copied in a definition of the term 'Species'- as classification as a Being or Beast is based on the Species - not the individual.
That definition specified 'the exchange of genes or ability to breed'.
In harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Muggle terms- there's been no Half breed races for humans which might effect the way we define the species 'homo sapien'- but in the Wizarding world we have several different races of beings that seem capable of achieving the definition of Species without being Human. Notable examples include harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Goblins , harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Giants , harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Veela and , harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Elf .
Therefore I think we need to redefine the definition of 'Species' in the wizarding world, particularly in regards to Werewolves and their victims.
As far as I'm aware only Humans can be infected or are indeed targetted by Werewolves. Exactly how human you need to be isn't clear. Is a harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Half-breed immune to the condition? Just the idea of a Werewolf Half Giant is frightening..
If a Werewolf is its own Species, being a Werewolf doesn't prevent breeding with a human (as per Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks)- but that no longer seems to be a defining element of species- if we accept that Werewolf is a Species on its own- their offspring could still be considered a half breed... but..
Other half breeds take on genetic qualities of their parents. According to Pottermore- the child of a Werewolf does not share any elements of the condition..
They are not passing on a different genetic code and continue to be able to breed with humans.. at least in human form..
The offspring of two Werewolves in wolf form however is a wolf of 'near human' intelligence. The genetic code has changed to create a different species offspring..
This suggests that a Werewolf in wolf form actually has their Genetic code change while in wolf form. Different genetics to the point of completely different physical formed offspring- and yet the mental capacity of the 'new' genetic form seems to maintain a 'near human' level of intelligence.
Pottermore also refers to the condition as "While in his or her wolfish form, the werewolf loses entirely its human sense of right or wrong"
There is no mention of loss of intelligence. A Werewolf in its wolf form- again assuming complete change of genetic code- may well be considered its own Species.. one intelligent enough to understand wizard law- but without a moral compass there is no appreciation of law or ability to form it, qualifying a Werewolf in wolf form as a (highly intelligent) Beast.
The only doubts left that I can think of.. if the inability to understand wrong and right is genetically inherent to a Werewolf in Wolf form.. why do the cubs born of those genetics not share the same trait?
While in human form a wizard who suffers from Lycanthropy does not suffer loss of moral compass. Therefore it isn't a condition of the disease, merely a side effect of the diseases active 'attack' which is triggered by the Moon. This (along with the detail that the trait isn't passed genetically) suggest the moral trait isn't genetic, but a side effect of the disease- especially as it can be treated medically.. despite a change in species.
Is a Werewolf in wolf form a different species? It seems so.
Does this mean it's a Beast if the non qualification as a Being is only based of the side effects of a controllable disease? If a human suffered from a disease that temporarily disabled their ability to judge wrong from right.. are they less human?
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<p>harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Minister_for_Magic harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Grogan_Stump in the harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/1810s founded the harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Department_for_the_Regulation_and_Control_of_Magical_Creatures </p><p>
</p><p>He stated that Which are able to understand the law and act upon to the law are beings...</p><p>
</p><p>By that way werewolves are calssified under the section harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Being </p><p>
</p><p>That is, except in the full moon day the werewolves are classified as beings</p><p>---------------------</p><p>❤Five Points to Fred the coolest weasley for Gryffindor❤</p>
</p><p>He stated that Which are able to understand the law and act upon to the law are beings...</p><p>
</p><p>By that way werewolves are calssified under the section harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Being </p><p>
</p><p>That is, except in the full moon day the werewolves are classified as beings</p><p>---------------------</p><p>❤Five Points to Fred the coolest weasley for Gryffindor❤</p>
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<p>If a human and a werewolf end up in child, we can call them as part human... but their character is more important than any thing...</p><p>
</p><p>For example, harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hagrid even he is a part giant he is more like a human... he is a harmless...</p><p>
</p><p>Likewise, harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Teddy_lupin also more like a human... we shouldn't judge one person by his blood but by character...</p><p>Human being, eventhough has a ability to decide which is correct and which is wrong, some of them intently choosing wrong path... </p><p>
</p><p>But werewolves are just around nearly 10 hrs in a month out of their control... why should we call them as beast...</p><p>------------------------</p><p>❤Ten Points to Fred the coolest weasley for Gryffindor❤</p>
</p><p>For example, harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hagrid even he is a part giant he is more like a human... he is a harmless...</p><p>
</p><p>Likewise, harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Teddy_lupin also more like a human... we shouldn't judge one person by his blood but by character...</p><p>Human being, eventhough has a ability to decide which is correct and which is wrong, some of them intently choosing wrong path... </p><p>
</p><p>But werewolves are just around nearly 10 hrs in a month out of their control... why should we call them as beast...</p><p>------------------------</p><p>❤Ten Points to Fred the coolest weasley for Gryffindor❤</p>
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Ok...
I think that the wizarding world is biased against creatures who are different from humans, in appearance or in behaviour like Goblins( which can't even possess a wand), House Elves, Centaurs, Merefolk.
About the werewolf I think they are human beings, only beasts for a small amount of time, although Greyback is not that different from a beast.
They are seen as tramps, so they weren't respected as it is stated by Remus Lupin, who feared to be exposed as one.
Even Lyall Lupin, one of the most decent man was at first disdainful against them, but I think he changed after his son was bitten by Greyback.
While Remus and Chiara Lobosca seemed emotionally affected by what they could do to their loved ones, Fenrir indulging in his pleasure of killing and violence was indeed too beastly, Cecil Lee was too prejudiced against them.
Early sources for belief in this ability or affliction, called lycantrhopy are Petronius (27–66) and Gervase of Tilbury (1150–1228).
The Greeks and the Romans feared them, because it was something that was against their beliefs, in fact when Lycaon served human flesh to Zeus, wanting to know if he is really a god, he was punished and his transformation was considered variously as murder, cannibalism, and impiety.
Ovid also relates stories of men who roamed the woods of Arcadia in the form of wolves.
In addition to Ovid, other Roman writers also mentioned lycanthropy.
Virgil wrote of human beings transforming into wolves.
Pliny the Elder relates two tales of lycanthropy. Quoting Euanthes, he mentions a man who hung his clothes on an ash tree and swam across an Arcadian lake, transforming him into a wolf. On the condition that he attack no human being for nine years, he would be free to swim back across the lake to resume human form.
Pliny also quotes Agriopas regarding a tale of a man who was turned into a wolf after tasting the entrails of a human child, but was restored to human form 10 years later.
A Werewolf could be defeated only with silvery weapons, but if they want to be freed by this disease, there were only three methods:
1) wolfsbane potion
2) surgically
3) exorcism.
The parallels between Fenrir and real presumed werewolves, like Pierre Burgot, Michel Verdung, Peter Niers and Gilles Garnier are that they were convicted for murders and cannibalism ( their victims were retrieved mauled).
We are between 1520 and 1574 and they confessed under torture that they used Dark Magic, and in Hp3 film there is an extremely Dark Curse, called Lycacomia, which was deemed linked with Satan by Muggles.
In other folklores such as Sardinian ( Italy ) a man who committed a serious fault would turn on full moon nights into a white ox with two large horns.
The creature, called a Erchitu, stops in front of a house and bellows three times: his roar is heard by all the inhabitants of the country, and according to tradition, the master of the house will to die within the year.
Sometimes they are accompanied by Devils which lay two lit candles on their horns and prod them with hot skewers.
The Erchitos can free themselves from their torment only when they encounter someone brave and strong, capable of extinguishing the candles in one puff, or capable of cutting the horns on the head with one precise shot.
harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Lycacomia_Curse
harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Werewolf
harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Remus_Lupin
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@Federico De Simone why did you mention all these myths about werewolves if they don't really relate to your argumentation? Also where did you find the information that the Lycacomia Curse (harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Lycacomia_Curse)was thought to be linked to Satan by Muggles (harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Muggle)? And do you refer with the methods of being freed from the disease to the stories or the Harry Potter books? If you refer to the latter (What I don't think you do): There is no known way to get rid of Lycantrophy (harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Lycanthropy), as far as I know, in Harry Potter.
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Yes they relate to the topic, in some stories it was like a punishment, for crimes similar to the ones committed by Fenrir.
I said that you can't judge a werewolf for his appearance but for his/ her actions.
Dark Arts and Magic in general are linked with Satan, because only God can do it, of course only by Muggles.
Those methods were in some medieval and Renaissance' accounts on how to cure it, I am perfectly aware that in Hp you can't do it, but only Wolfsbane can help to retain human intelligence.
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<p>Werewolves are beings, because they spend most of their time as humans. Only twelve nights a year are spent as a werewolf, with 353/354 (leap years). Besides, wolves have the instinct to hunt, kill, eat, and breed. Werewolves, however, have a more complicated mind as humans, and can decide whether or not to drink wolfsbane potions (harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wolfsbane_Potion), or not. How savage they are, their loyalties, occupations, etc... is completely their choice. Greyback decided to be savage, but it was his choice, and also his choice to join Voldemort. Professor Lupin, however, was caring and kind, drinking the wolfsbane potion and surrendering his job for other's safety.</p>