the first one is so true though. They call James a bully as a defense for snape whilst not realising that snape was a literal death eater. People change.

(also ngl if i was james i would bully him too /hj)

(and before anyone comes at me for being a b♡◇♤☆ just remember that hes a Deatheater and kind of a creep, so i (and james) would have every right)

^I agree 100%

And the last one- snape took away every right.

Eh, Snape is still my favorite character-... All of these posts are way more complicated than just a few sentences

Also, there is a big difference between a mature adult and a war hero...

By Snape fans, you mean the ones who has only watched the movies or still defend him after reading the books by calling him a "tragic" or a "redeemable" person perhaps? Because I'm sure that this post is indicated for mostly those kind of people, as from my experience, after having debates with multiple people outside this wiki, I'm sure there are a lot other people who are supposedly Snape "fans", but don't call him "overall a good person who has redeemed himself" or "the bravest person" or whatever, they just enjoy his, uh, infuriating character? Well except one or two, I haven't met more people like that yet on this wiki, because most 'Snape lovers' are tend to be like the ones who uh, are entitled to that he truly redeems himself in the end, but I couldn't care less about what they think as I'm not one of them, and I hate Snape, although in villain terms I do agree that he was written very well.

He was indeed written as a red herring and painted to be the bad guy through Harry's eyes to finally be central to a big plot twist in an unoriginal way.

There is, however, something I would add about Snape: he could never be the character he is if, anyhow, he was a "redeemable" person, like James. There is something about him as a character, like "there is something about this guy we don't know yet" from the beginning. It's no wonder this is a character people have been talking about for years.

While his story isn't narratively that original, his layers of nuances are really interesting. He was simultaneously a bully and really horrible as an adult, and a Death Eater and yet because of his selfishness and obsession after Lily died, that's only when he became one of the main reason for Voldemort's defeat, and if Lily never died, he would likely continued to be a Death Eater, and that's really a complex part of his character, which I find quite interesting, instead of someone like James who, like any redeemable person, was "bad in his teenage years and later grew up and became good" because that's totally isn't something really complex and kind of boring.

Contrary to most flat characters that exists only to be plot twists, re-reading Snape's book appearances and knowing his complicated story doesn't strip him of anything that's morally good, on the contrary, it add layers upon layers and more complexity to his character, to me that's why he can't ever be "redeemable" which would be some kind of an uninteresting plot-twist. I don't like him at all, and I do consider myself a Snape hater, but I just don't like it when one of those Snape fans say how he "ultimately redeemed himself" because that does nothing but completely ruin his entire character, as I do like his, um, iniquitous character.

How long did that take you-

I tend to like what you woud call "redemable, tragic villains" rather than flawless heroes. I don't think that Snape was overral a good human being, I just love his character development and flaws. I think he deserves to be called heroic after saving Harry's life so many times. I also quite relate to him, having a pretty cold personality, myself. My love for snape and hatred for james, contains notes from my own personal experience

How long did that take you-

Nearly about half an hour-

I just love his character development and flaws, I think he deserves to be called heroic after saving Harry's life multiple times.

I do like it too, and I would still call him a flawed anti-hero altogether.

I don't think he was a anti-hero, on the scale he was just in between. He's a gray character

On a scale he was just is between. He's a grey character

I wouldn't disagree on that, but I do think dark grey is a better way to describe his character.