Forum:Rights Requests

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Hi there.

I've recently made a rights request for my bot, User:SajuukBot, to be granted a bot flag. You can see the two requests here and here.

However, the requests seem to be falling on deaf ears and nothing has changed, neither have the requests even been acknowledged. Just recently, we had a small spate of vandalism that I could not do anything about, as I only have delete and protect rights.

I'm posting this thread to make two requests of the community here:

• Do you trust me enough on this wiki to run an AutoWikiBrowser bot on automate the removal of certain templates from the wiki?
• Am I considered trustworthy enough to become a sysop on the wiki, which would make it easier for me to deal with vandalism in the absence of other sysops on the wiki?

Discuss below, thanks. --Sajuuk 12:07, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Please discuss this request below. --Sajuuk 12:07, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Support He shall be botted, in thy name of the wiki! RisenPhoenix _{talk ~ contribs} 12:26, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Couple questions:

• What was the recent vandalism that you could do nothing about?
• Are there examples of previous/current bots and the kind of tasks they are used for?

Other than cleaning up some empty templates, I know you've mentioned converting common links to shortened templates eg ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (film)]]'' to {{COS|F}}. Another useful task would be to update Pottermore references from the old chapter links to the new "writing by JK" format.

However, given your willingness to undo people's edits based on your personal beliefs of the "right" way to do things (even in opposition to stated policy and prescendence), I am hesitant about having your bot automatically make sweeping changes without a better understanding of how the work is scoped out and approved. --Ironyak1 (talk) 14:59, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

There was some edit warring occurring on pages earlier today, and the most I was able to do was protect the pages, which didn't really dissuade users from being aggressive on user talkpages. Not to mention that one of the users involved in the edit dispute should already have been blocked a very long time ago for persistent edit warring with others.

The list of bots with a bot flag on the wiki can be found here: Special:ListUsers/bot

As you will see, none of them are active. I have no idea who operates any of those bots, but they are most likely users that no longer edit this wiki and have no further intention of contributing further.

As for making "sweeping changes", the bot would only be used for approved changes. I would never use my bot to make whatever changes I felt like making, as that is bot abuse. The point of the bot would be to get rid of old templates that are used all over the wiki in many articles or make any changes that have been approved by consensus.

Also, policy isn't a law. Things can be changed if they're no longer valid or they're incorrect: that's the point of being bold in editing a wiki. There are many users who may come through to the wiki who don't understand or agree with certain policies and it's perfectly valid for users to ignore policies if they are hindering a user from contributing to the wiki. --Sajuuk 15:13, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

I would be fine with this, in the months since I first met Sajuuk, I've seen nothing but helpful edits from him, and in the few times that others disagreed with whether or not his decisions were warranted, he was perfectly willing to discuss them in an amiable way. User talk:BachLynn23 16:45, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

I would disagree unfortunately. I have seen him remove several people's contributions (including my own) based on his own steadfast belief in what was right, even when it went explicitly against current policy (removing talk page comments) or commonly used practices on this wiki (info beyond a ref link in the Notes & references section, using the Candidates for deletion talk page, etc). He then would repeatedly argue that his way was the way everyone does it, without any acknowledgement of the counter-examples or merits of other approaches.

His notion that "it's perfectly valid for users to ignore policies if they are hindering a user from contributing to the wiki" seems to allow for doing anything you want until someone gets an admin involved (which should be a last step IMHO and I doubt that admins find helpful). While it's clear he has lots of wiki experience and some HP knowledge, and the wiki's need for some technical-minded cleanup work, his willingness to repeatedly "police" the wiki based on his own expectations, and not community standards or consensus (even after being warned by admins), makes it impossible for me to currently support the granting of any new powers. Against Sorry, just my 2cents --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:56, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

I have limited, though so far entirely positive, experience of Sajuuk, and to my mind there are two aspects to this, the specific and the general, so to speak. On the concrete issue of Sajuuk, I believe he is likely to take on board community opinion, and on a broader front, it seems to me the wiki rather desperately needs someone motivated, active and with Admin rights. As a stepping stone in that direction, and one that could perhaps be discussed further before a final decision, then bot rights appear suitable to me. {{SUBST:User:Jiskran/Signature}} 19:24, April 30, 2016 (UTC)