Deathday vs. Death Day[]
In the game it is called "Death Day Ballroom", shouldn't we keep this rather than correcting the spelling of "deathday"? - MalchonC (talk) 02:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, there! Thanks for bringing this up! I noticed that, too, so at the moment, restoring the randomly deleted redirect is the least I can do. That said, it looks like the name of this ballroom is the one notably misspelled; the titles of the Achievement and Side Quests within, do have it spelled as "Deathday," so not exactly sure how to proceed. Perhaps this could be noted in the BTS section? Sammm✦✧(talk) 02:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Are the mentions of "Deathday" included in the term "Deathday Ballroom" or other things like "Deathday Party", for example, or just "Deathday"? If any of the mentions specifically write "Deathday Ballroom" in this way, then I can accept it being the title of this page, but if not, then "Death Day Ballroom" is the only choice we can have. MalchonC (talk) 08:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Renaming[]
If "Ballroom" is the capitalised name given to this room in Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery, then the article can be moved to this name without any issues. Do people agree with such a proposal? RedWizard98 (talk) 17:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Makes sense I guess. If it is used for other things besides the Deathday Party, then it makes sense to change it to encompass other events. Andrewh7 (talk) 17:44, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Andrewh7
Well - Hogwarts Legacy is more recent than Hogwarts Mystery, so it should retcon the HM name for it. Anyway: According to HM, it is called for the "Deathday Party Room". WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Why retcon? Can't it simply have been renamed at some point between the 1890s and 1980s? - MrSiriusBlack Talk 15:14, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Because that would require us to make stuff up about why certain locations have different names in different canonical sources? And anyway; the designation "Ballroom" is a game mechanic. It's a label inserted by the game developers to identify a location for the benefit of the player. That does not, however, automatically mean that that's what it's called in-universe, (although it makes a good placeholder until an in-universe alternative presents itself, granted). In HL, however, we're given the name "Deathday Party Room" from both an out-of-universe, game technical andfrom an in-universe. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 15:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- "That does not, however, automatically mean that that's what it's called in-universe"
- Yes it does. If it didn't, the game wouldn't make a point of telling us that it is called that. - MrSiriusBlack Talk 15:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Why? Because you say so? Look, Sirius, even if you had been right, if we were to put aside the whole "game-play/game-story" distinction and just agreed that the hovering text in the middle of the screen that's visible to us and not to the character we play as in-universe is interchangeable with in-universe terminology, it's still the matter of Hogwarts Legacy being the more recent source, and that it's not our job as editors to make stuff up about why certain locations have different names in different sources. Why not just go with the most recent source for the article name, and just write something like...
- The Deathday Party Room was a gloomy, spacious chamber in the lower dungeons of Hogwarts Castle. Also known as the Ballroom, it was occasionally used by the residents ghosts to celebrate the day of their passing, as well as other festivities. (Here goes a reference to Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery, Year 2, Side Quest "Holidays at Hogwarts").
And obviously the Deathday Party Hall and Deathday Ballroom would have to be merged, seen as how they're one and the same. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 16:25, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Agree with Weasley here. It's confusing from a wiki-editing standpoint to have pages like Deathday Party Hall and Deathday Ballroom be separate (among other examples like Hogwarts Herbology Award and Herbology Award, and International Association of Quidditch and International Quidditch Association (link goes to a pre-merger edit)). While one might argue "they have separate names so they must be separate rooms/objects", I think at a certain level we need to be more reasonable with page separations like this. Castlemore (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I take it back, the text naming places might on second thought serve a more narrative function than I first gave it credit for, but as HL is the more recent source, I stand by what I said about renaming and merging the articles. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 17:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Renamed to "Ballroom" since it's the current name of the room in the game. MalchonC (talk) 16:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)