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Of course he's related to James even though they may not be father and son- they share the same surname! They cuold be uncle and nephew or ? cousins, ? removed but they are related —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.10.204.5 (talk • contribs) 10:40, 22 April 2008.
- A good guide in general, but there are exceptions. Eg the technological visionary Vannevar Bush had no relation to the 41th and 43th presidents of the USA. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.70.50.117 (talk • contribs) 11:47, 22 June 2008.
- It should also be mentioned that the magical world is tinier than the real world, therefore there is a large chance (especially the way JK works, connecting everything) that Charlus is related to Harry.
- Well, presumably Charlus was pure-blood, since he could marry into the Blacks, and so was James' family (by canon), so they must be related, even if distantly, since there aren't enough pure-bloods for any two to be completely unrelated.
- Note that if Charlus wasn't James' father, he and his descendents wouldn't be closely enough related to Harry to be "family" in any socially or legally recognized sense, and thus Harry would have "no living family" even if he had some living second or third cousins.
- One can't automatically presume that Ignotus Peverell is one of Charlus' ancestors, since it's possible (though IMHO unlikely) that the Peverell descendant who married into the Potters did so only after Harry's line had split from Charlus' (assuming, again, that the lines did actually split and Charlus isn't James' father).
- Ebohlman 13:34, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.210.122.189 (talk • contribs) 12:04, 24 February 2009.
You can't just say that if Charlus is not James' father he would not be family in any socially or legally recognized way. A great-grandfather/mother and great-great-grandfather/mother, and so on, is also socially and legally recognized family. Futhermore, Charlus could also be James' grandfather and Harry's great-grandfather, thus making Charlus' son the father of James. 109.56.28.185 05:46, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Death date[]
Harry does not have any living relatives except the Dursleys in 1981. So Charlus have to die before 1981. He need to die between 1976 and 1981 because Sirius went to the Potter's when he was 16 (1976). So Charlus and Dorea 's death date should be between 1977 and 31 Oct 1981. Anne B. Ng Talk 10:20, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
Charlus Potter must of been a Slytherin or Dora Black would of been blasted off the family tree
Catlover999 (talk) 13:31, January 21, 2017 (UTC)
I don't think this is true. Sirius also wasn't disowned at age 11 for being a Gryffindor, but at age 16 fo running away. The Blacks were only required to marry pure-bloods who were not considered blood traitor, but could have belonged to any House ot School.--Rodolphus (talk) 13:37, January 21, 2017 (UTC)
Henry's son?[]
This page says that Charlus could possibly only be Henry's brother or distantly related. But why can't he be Henry's second son and Fleamont's younger brother (James' uncle)? It says that it's impossible that he's branched from Henry since Henry was a blood traitor and Dorea would have been blasted off the family tree.
But think about this, what if he didn't approve of his father's views? What if he disowned his father and brother for not supporting blood purity? Then, wouldn't he still be accepted by the Black family since he is pure blood and he disowned his blood traitor relatives? Twilight2013 (talk) 10:25, June 25, 2017 (UTC)
I think he could be Fleamont's brother. The fact that he COULD be the son of a "blood traitor" like Henry or come from a family branded as such I don't think it would prevent his marriage to Dorea. The Blacks were related to other wizarding families such as the Macmillans, the Longbottoms and the Prewetts who, like the Potters, did not agree with "blood supremacy" or care about "blood purity", but had a very high social status and were highly respected bloodlines, unlike the Weasleys who, besides not sharing the same ideas as the Blacks, were relatively poorer than other families. Perhaps that and the fact that Charlus was a pureblood explains why Dorea has not been crossed out of the family tree or disinherited, but then, that is mere speculation, and until Rowling confirms or denies it, that's all we have to do is take it as just that, speculation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Albertogg2004 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 1 February 2021 (UTC).
Speculation[]
As per Seth's own admission, educated guesses BELONG in the BTS section. And unless you are suggesting Rowling placed figurative magical nuclear bombs under the homes of every Potter prior to the attack on James and Lily just to ensure Harry HAD to be without other family than Petunia for the sake of the plot, there are no reason to remove it. If Voldemort concivably could have gone after Harry's aunt, uncle and cousin to torture them for information on Harry's whereabouts, considering the timeframe, factoring in both wizardkind's extended lifespan (Black-family-tree-and-Rowling's-self-admittedly-bad-math-nonwithstanding) and the war, why exactly is it so difficult to believe that Voldemort could indeed have gone after one branch of the Potter family in search for another? Even if Charlus was old and died of natural causes, his son wouldn't necessarily be that old. It was war, James and Lily was Order members, and Voldemort wanted Harry dead. Why wouldn't he target their family trying to find them? Ninclow (talk) 11:15, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
- That is not an educated guess - that is pure speculation. There is no more evidence for it than from them dying from any other possible cause, but we're not going to add all those to the BTS section even though they are all equally possible. --Ironyak1 (talk) 11:19, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
No, because a war goning on with the Potters being prominent targets of Voldemort's says nothing about the mortality rate of their relatives at all. Give me a break! Sorry to be this blunt with you, but at this point I feel I have to be: I applaud your dedication to this wiki and your committment to keeping the content accurate, but by Merlin's beard, - you do not dictate what pure speculation is.Pure speculation dictate what pure speculation is, and I'm not not guilty of it on this occassion. Ninclow (talk) 11:27, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
He was Fleamont's brother... Possibly.[]
I am more inclined to the idea that he is Henry's son and therefore Fleamont's brother, younger than him in any case. Fleamont was born before 1909, while Dorea was born in 1920. We have that the Blacks married wizards and witches who were their contemporaries, the age difference between them and their spouses/husbands was minimal, and even if it was urgent in certain cases to find a husband or wife for one of their members in order to preserve their blood purity, regardless of age (as in the case of Bellatrix and Sirius's parents), I doubt that this was the case with Dorea. Given that Dorea was born in 1920, and married Charlus "some time after Hogwarts", this would indicate that she and he already knew each other, attending Hogwarts perhaps at the same time or else overlapping by one or two years at most between the two, and only some time passed between their graduation and their marriage. The same goes for Fleamont, who married Euphemia "at some point after graduating from Hogwarts", let's not forget that Hogwarts is the most common meeting point for British wizarding and muggle families to bond with each other, examples abound, such as Arthur and Molly or James and Lily. Returning to the subject, the age difference between Fleamont and Dorea was around eleven years, and possibly the same is the case with Charlus. Henry, Fleamont's father, was born before 1892, and taking into account Fleamont's birth date of "before 1909", if he was born a year earlier, by the time Fleamont was born he would have been about sixteen which, even for that time, was not an optimal age to have a child, on the other hand, if he was born two years earlier (which would make more sense), when he had Fleamont he would have been about eighteen, not an uncommon age to conceive a child in the wizarding world, by that age he would have already graduated from Hogwarts, besides, let's remember that James and Lily were twenty when they had Harry, now if he was born a year later, he would have had Fleamont when he was exactly nineteen, and Charlus when he was thirty, which are already optimal ages to have children, in the case of Fleamont at least among wizards and in the case of Charlus something very similar among muggles. Henry and Charlus are probably several decades apart in age and could not be siblings.
Now, let us turn to the fact that Dorea was not disinherited or erased from the Black family tree for marrying Charlus, even though the Potters were branded "blood traitors" by the blood supremacists. We know that the Potters were not the only family that did not disdain/hate Muggles in the wizarding world. The Macmillans, the Longbottoms and the Prewetts didn't see purity of blood as valuable either, or at least their more current generations did. However, it is always indicated that they had a much higher status than other wizarding families, such as the Weasleys, who apart from being treated as blood traitors had no renowned social status, which may have further influenced the erasure of Cedrella (Ron's grandmother) from the family tree for marrying Septimus Weasley. So there are three possible reasons why they accepted Dorea's marriage to Charlus: 1) For convenience, the Potters were a wealthy family even before Fleamont got rich with his hair potion, so they had no problem letting her marry someone who came from "blood traitors" as long as his social status was to be respected. 2) Because they didn't judge Charlus for being Henry's son (in case he was), maybe they thought he disagreed with his father simply because he fell in love with Dorea, and that was enough for them to accept his betrothal. 3) Out of ignorance, perhaps they were unaware of the Potters' ideas about Muggles and therefore allowed Dorea's marriage, although I doubt this was a viable option. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Albertogg2004 (talk • contribs) 18:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC).
- Insufficient canonical information is known to make such a judgement. We cannot declare Fleamont and Charlus to be brothers without confirmation by JK Rowling. - MrSiriusBlack Talk 18:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
I know, at no time did I say it was confirmed, I simply gave some arguments of my own as to why such a claim (which I personally support) could be true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Albertogg2004 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC).
At no point did I say that you said that it was confirmed. We don't know any more than what is currently in the article, thus we have no choice but to leave it at that. - MrSiriusBlack Talk 20:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)