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Name[]
With the dubbing done for this side quest, it sounds to me that the pronunciation of her first name could be "Elspeth" instead, there clearly is something that suggests an "el" instead of simple "e". I only created the article as "Espes" since that's the closest I can get from the Chinese translation "艾斯佩丝", which still is the only written form of her name available. Also, "McGillonie" could be "MacGillonie", I'm really not sure about the difference between them. Can somebody, maybe with a better knowledge of what the name should be based on other clues (her accent, appearance, etc.), provide a clearer insight into this? She says her name at around 1:05 in this video. MalchonC (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
This sounds more Espeth than espes. SeichanGrey (talk) 13:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Mal! Happy to be of service! After watching the clip, I concur with you both. To my ears, it does indeed sound as though she is saying "Elspeth" both times she says it at the timestamp you gave. And I for one would be inclined to go with what we hear rather than what we read on this ocassion, since the subtitles are in Chinese and there are sometimes differences between them and what the English translation is. For example, for a while, the article of Jakub Gorski was called Jacob Gorski due to an attempt at translating what the Chinese subtitles said that his name was. As for the surname, Mc and Mac are pronounced identically, so I propose we stick to the current name as a placeholder and change it if necessary when Year 4 is released in English. :-) WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! So "Elspeth McGillonie" is the way to go then? Do you think there should be other things switched around, especially with the "speth" part that is also different from the current "spes" due to the switch from "e" to "el"? MalchonC (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Malcolm, this may be tangential but is there a "th" pronounciation in Chinese? It seems it does not so the the "th" gets somewhat transliterated to an "s" sound. Does that seem accurate? SeichanGrey (talk) 14:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think Elspeth McGillonie is the way to go. Anyone gonna move it? If not, I will. SeichanGrey (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
If there is uncertainty as to what the name is, shouldn't the renaming be left to a content moderator? WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 19:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
It seems to me that It seems that the English voice overs seem to be the "main" base language done, and the chinese subtitles are a transliteration. And the “espes” is an approximation translation from an already translated piece, so I give "th" more priority now. 19:57, 3 August 2022 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SeichanGrey (talk • contribs).
- Elspeth McGillonie it is. You can move the page (along with correcting all links) if you want to, I'm on mobile so will get to do it some time later if you don't. MalchonC (talk) 02:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Article for magical crown[]
Hi, surely it would be a good idea to make a new article for that magical crow of hers? I do not know what qualities it possesses, if any. RedWizard98 (talk) 15:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- The magical crown so far has very little depiction regarding its qualities. We do know where it was previously stored and how it was taken out of the lake, etc, but it isn't shown to be used magically (before it could perhaps be used, the duel happened and the crown was then said to have been taken away). Regardless, there's enough information to make it notable, I guess, so I'll make an article for it soon. MalchonC (talk) 15:30, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- That's interesting. Curiously, what would you title the article? RedWizard98 (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Do you have the clips? WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 15:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I just linked to one in the rename template on the article - her last name is revealed to be "MacGillony". It is kind of annoying, to be honest, so I want to wait a little bit longer before another mass rename in case further evidence pops up. I've already played through most of the quest and I didn't see a confirmation of her first name, but if it can be found in the video, feel free to point out. MalchonC (talk) 16:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the head's up. Sorry that I got so curt in the Abraham Ronen talk page. RedWizard98 has a real knack for getting under my skin, but it was unfair to take that out on you, unintentional though it was. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 16:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's OK, I didn't feel like you took anything out on me. Anyway, let's stay focused on matters about MacGillony (finally, the first time I say that without feeling conjectural…) MalchonC (talk) 16:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- how long do you plan on waiting? SeichanGrey (talk) 16:45, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- The latest would be next Wednesday as that will be when the quest ends (removed from servers). If you're not afraid of another mass rename and willing to accept that the efforts might once again turn out to be in vain, then you can perhaps do the renaming again… but be more thorough (check WhatLinksHere and get rid of all links to the redirect - and keep redirects!) MalchonC (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Why would they remove it from the server? What is the idea, to exclude players that didn't join at a particular time from getting the same storylines? That's gonna be a popular decision... WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 21:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- The game is not officially released, yet. Tthere was a massive open beta where any saved progress was not saved/transferred, thus removal from the servers.SeichanGrey (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I only hope the SQ is re-released later. Ninactic does such a better job of writing engaging narratives compared to Jam City. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 22:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- It is officially released in my country. Think of it as a TLSQ in HM. After the game is released in other territories, the quest probably will go on the servers for those territories for a while too. MalchonC (talk) 01:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Crown of courage[]
So do we agree that the title for the magical crown is "Crown of courage"? It is only used by McGonagall to describe the crown, and not necessarily even the specific crown that MacGillony wants to get, but probably just a general concept of a crown that grants courage, but still, it fits the (supposed) purpose of the crown and sounds rather formal, so I would personally choose that as the title. MalchonC (talk) 06:52, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Seconded. Even though it might be that we get a proper name when/if the chapter is re-released for global consumption later. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 07:20, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Rita Skeeter used "crown of courage" ("勇气之冠") as well. MalchonC (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Dark Witch[]
Do people think she should be regarded as one, considering her frequent usage of Imperio on several students, which would have presumably been illegal in her time? RedWizard98 (talk) 09:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Well... She did use the Imperius Curse, but so did McGonagall in book 7, and she's not a Dark witch. Elspeth don't strike me as having the ruthlessness or the malintent that I would associate with a Dark witch or wizard. Dark witches or wizards are, or so it is my understanding, someone who use the Dark Arts actively to reach their goals, and would readily kill or injure to achieve them. I don't we have been given any sort of indication that MacGillony has used the Imperius Curse between the times she used it on Nifflers as a student and when she arrived at Hogwarts as a substitute; or that she would have done it ever again had she gotten her hands on the crown and gotten away. She's certainly selfish, but a Dark witch? I wouldn't say so. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 12:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)