Talk: Emeric the Evil

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Quotation[]

To me the quote from the book makes it sound like it was the students who got the names mixed up while writing them down....? --BachLynn23 15:22, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

I wounder if hes still alive or dead right now —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 112.203.118.16 (talk • contribs).

Is there a picture somewhere of Emeric? I've wondered what his face looks like. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.104.188.158 (talk • contribs).

Name[]

Dumbledore has this to say about Emeric the Evil in The Tales of Beedle the Bard (real):

"The first well-documented mention of a wand made of elder that had particularly strong and dangerous powers was owned by Emeric, commonly called 'the Evil', a short-lived but exceptionally aggressive wizard who terrorised the South of England in the early Middle Ages."

Should we therefore rename the page to "Emeric" and have "Emeric, known more commonly as Emeric the Evil, is a wizard who ... [full paragraph]" in the introductory paragraph? --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 03:46, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Species of Emeric's Steed[]

I'm not sure if this should be asked here, but what the heck is the creature that Emeric is riding in the new image of him? It looks like a dragon with some features of a horse, something that no magical creature has to my knowledge. Does anyone know what it could be? {{SUBST:User:Logo8th/Sig}} 23:14, February 18, 2019 (UTC)

I think that's fan art and needs to be removed, the Godelot has a suspicious picture too. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:31, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Those images are not fan art; they are derived from the illustrated version of The Tales of Beedle the Bard, by Chris Riddell. The creature depicted in Emeric the Evil's profile picture is a dragon. RedWizard98 (talk) 18:35, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Looks like a wyvern, if you ask me. Wyverns are described as being "dragonic" by Rowling, but mythologically speaking, the key difference between the two has been that a wyvern has two legs, whereas a dragon has four. The namesake of The White Wyvern, perhaps? Tfoc (talk) 18:02, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Saying the dragon in the The Tales of Beedle the Bard: Illustrated Edition image is purely speculative; the text does not label it as such, nor does Rowling in any other source, and to say that it is definitely a Wyvern is misleading and false. RedWizard98 (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

The only ever time the term "Wyvern" has ever been used in this series is the Wyvern of Wye, a dragon-like beast which Sir Cadogan slayed in the Middle Ages. To call it however a known relative of the dragon is nothing short of fanon; integrating real world mythology into the series without sources from the series itself. RedWizard98 (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

It's not speculative, Red. I uttered a truism of how wyverns differ from dragons, and then I linked to a page where we see a depiction of a wyvern, and that the creature seen on the sign in Knockturn Alley and the Emeric's mount is clearly the same animal. Will you PLEASE try to get your facts straight BEFORE you throw baseless accusations around? Thank you. And to say that it is "speculative" to say that dragon-like creatures are related to dragons is a bit like saying toads and frogs aren't related. Rowling gave the wyverns the designation "dragonic" for a reason. Tfoc (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

There is only one flaw here: "Wyverns" aren't a defined species in Harry Potter. Where is the source that says otherwise? Real world mythology should not be confused with HP mythology all the time, despite HP mythology is derived quite heavily from it, just because of the creature's appearance. HP has its own mythology which isn't fabricated by fans. And a reference to a random sign in Knockturn Alley has no relevance to this subject, not in the slightest. Speculation. RedWizard98 (talk) 22:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Real world mythology is where Rowling gets the magical creatures in her franchise that isn't her own invention, so that's moot. And sure, wyverns aren't given a section in Newt's book or anything, but it's a depicted creature in canon. One here, and one here. Tfoc (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

While it is true that Emeric's steed more closely matches the description of what we in the real world would call a Wyvern, there has been no solid confirmation that Wyvern is the name of a species in the Harry Potter universe. (By the way, here is a better image of the White Wyvern's sign, the creature on the sign quite clearly has four legs and is a dragon. So that is not, as you claim, a canonical depiction of a Wyvern.) As the species of Emeric the Evil's steed specifically has never been confirmed, all we can say is that it is a Dragon-like creature, because that is all we know from an in-universe point of view. - MrSiriusBlack Talk 22:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Well said MrSirius Black. The only way we can describe this unnammed creature is a dragon-like creature, or generic unnamed dragon, since that is the most accurate and least speculative. RedWizard98 (talk) 22:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the image, Sirius. The other one wasn't as zoomed in, and not as bright and focused, so I didn't spot the legs poking out in under the tail, I just saw the two legs and the wings. That's what impaired eyesight gets you. :/ If anything, though, it seems Rowling's wyverns have, or can have, four legs too. There's no reason to think the animal depicted on the sign isn't the animal named on it.

Red: Wipe off that smug demeanour and conduct yourself like a grownup, please. Anyone can make a mistake, and I've got it up to here with your quasi-intellectual, conspiratorial nonsense. Tfoc (talk) 23:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

It is also worth noting you were asked to stop personally attacking others. The rules apply to everyone, you know. RedWizard98 (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Name[]

He didn't call him "Emeric the Evil", he named the man and informed the reader that the Dark Wizards' name was Emeric, and then he added for clarification that he "was commonly known as The Evil", describing the moniker by which he was historically well-known. It's not a given name, it's a descriptive label used to denote a characteristic of the man known as Emeric. Tfoc (talk) 22:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Point being? It's an epithet; many historical characters are known by an epithet — both real and fictional, such as Æthelred the Unready and Ethelred the Ever-Ready — and they are especially common in figures from the Middle Ages. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 00:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

That was the point; I wrote that in response to something RedWizard wrote elsewhere where he made it sound as if "The Evil" was part of Emeric's name, as opposed to being an epithet. Tfoc (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)