Talk: Fay Dunbar

Category: Ravenclaws?

Why that? The article states he´s a Gryffindor.--Rodolphus 15:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Gender

Fay is a girl's name. Is it made explicitly clear in the game that Fay is male? Do other characters refer to Fay with "he," "him," "his," etc.? If not, then I think we should presume the character is female, based on the name. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 08:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

She is most definately a girl, seeing as how she's in Hermione Granger's dormitory. Eleanor Rigby | talk | contribs 21:44, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Subjects

How can Fay taking Potions be canon? Hary, Ron and Hermione were the only Gryffindors who took the NEWT class I thought.--Rodolphus 13:39, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bumping--Rodolphus 19:24, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Fay taking 6th year Potions under Slughorn CANNOT be cannon! In the HBP chapter 9 Harry states specifically that the only Gryffindors are him, Ron, and Hermione. (page 182, US 1st edition, handback) this is later reaafirmed which his notes on the seating arrangements on the next page (183), and since there were no late comers, we know Fay was not in the class. And don't tell me she missed the first class, that's bullocks. So, in recap, the HBP book says Fay did not take 6th year potions. Someone with better editing skills than me should change the article accordingly, perhaps with some slosh about changing career plans, since you need Potions to be an Auror. Happy Hunting! 75.54.91.118 16:56, March 10, 2012 (UTC) Guest who loves being canon

Does the sixth video game explicitly state the subjects she studied at NEWT level? RedWizard98 (talk) 03:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Canon?

Okay is this seriously canon? I'd love a clip or reference in the article which could indicate that this is Fay Dunbar? And how do we know the unnamed actress in the photo is Fay? Plus Dunbar never appeared on Rowling's list. Travy1991 20:25, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I think this article takes speculation too far. I think it should stick to covering Fay's one conclusively known appearance in the DS version of the HBP game and not try to pin her name onto other unidentified Gryffindor girls in Harry's year. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 00:54, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ditto. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 15:47, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Fay also appears on the student list in the PS2 version of the POA game, but unlike the DS version of the HBP game, NPC characters don't have fixed locations, but spawn randomly whenever you enter a room. So it's not like Fay can be pinned down to a single NPC character in that game. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 21:17, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

This isn't canon because that Gryffindor the other two Gryffindor girls have to be Sophie roper, lily moon, Sally-Anne Perks or Sally Smith. It is less likely Sally smith because she is most likely Hufflepuff. Has anyone considered that Fay is canon but she is a year younger than Harry, just really advanced so she is taking higher classes maybe? And how do we know the movie character is the video game character? (JanzPotter (talk) 14:56, July 8, 2014 (UTC))

There's more than ten students per house per year: as explained on Pottermore, the forty students represent only a portion of each year. --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 15:15, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

Actress?

Do we know who the actress who plays Fay in the movies is because I've been trying to look everywhere for this but I can't seem to find it

Fay does not appear in any of the films. Her appearance in the third film was a misconception purely based on fanon which had no basis in fact. The Unidentified brown-haired Gryffindor girl who was incorrectly stated to her for a long time is portrayed by an unknown actress. But remember, this girl is not Fay, as Rowling never identified her. Fay only makes a physical appearance in the NDS version of the HBP video game. RedWizard98 (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Possible Apperearance in DH: Part 2

Fay?

Well, she look like her. The lips, nose, hair and cheek. It's pretty the same and she stands behind Lavender and Parvati. Should we add it to the page? or maybe in the BTS section?Zaki alwi 16:42, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree it does look like the same actress. (JanzPotter (talk) 14:57, July 8, 2014 (UTC))

Fay does not appear in any of the films, especially the third film. That was a misconception held for a long time. Therefore, she is not in the eighth film. RedWizard98 (talk) 11:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Family

Might it possibly be said in the behind the scenes section that she may be related to Alex Dunbar of the Scottish rugby team? --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 22:00, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Auror?

I've played most of the games, both on PS2 and PC, and I can say I recognized her quotes more than her name. Where is the source stating she wanted to become an Auror? User:Simen Johannes Fagerli

Regardless of how annoying you may find me, please show the courtesy of not ignoring me, in the very least. Ninclow 17:47, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Canon, redux

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This has already been addressed above. The character of Fay Dunbar and "her friend" cannot possibly be considered the two missing Gryffindor girls, since Rowling promised to divulge htheir names from the "Original Forty" list (source) -- needless to say, the list features no Fay Dunbar. Besides, Fay Dunbar was this small little character in the Half-Blood Prince video game, and how one can positively identify this random background character from the Prisoner of Azkaban as her is beyond me. The same goes for Fay Dunbar's friend.

This article should stick to covering Fay's one conclusively known appearance in the HBP game. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 01:19, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

We know very well the two missing Gryffindor girls are among these five girls: Lily Moon, Sally-Anne Perks, Sophie Roper, ? Runcorn and Sally Smith. I'd say that: Sally Smith is in Hufflepuff and is probably related to Zacharias; Lily is in Hufflepuff, because she is a fey, dreamy girl; and Sally-Anne is a Gryffindor, because Perks sounds like Parkinson.

However looking very carefully at the notebook shown in "Harry Potter and Me", it can be noted the circled letters (that indicate the Gryffindors) are referred to Sophie Roper and Sally Smith. GianG (talk) 14:17, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

We can't attribute characters to any House based on that reasoning; House has to be conclusively given by some canon source. That being said, I already expressed my concerns about your allocation of Sally Smith and Sophie Roper to Gryffindor, here. That being said, you're straying from the topic.

What I am discussing is that this video-game character has been identified as a background character of a film that came out five years prior, seemingly at random (I'm not even sure why anyone concluded Fay Dunbar was this girl from the Prisoner of Azkaban film, if not out of personal whim or poor reasoning). --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 15:04, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'm assuming Fay Dunbar and friend were identified as the girls in POA/f using the logic that a) HBP/vg, the only canon source at the time, said that Fay and her friend are Hermione's roommates b) these two girls are (I'm assuming) the only unidentified Gryffindors in that scene and therefore c) they must be the missing two Gryffindor girls. Since, as you've pointed out, point a) has now been proven false, conclusion c) is as well.

I'd also like to point out that Fay and her friend are not only not the girls from POA/f, but they aren't even canon. Various classroom counts from the early novels confirm there are only ten students in Gryffindor in Harry's year: the names from the Original Forty. So this article needs to be both reduced to just the video game appearance and marked as non-canon. -- 1337star ^{(Drop me a line!)} 18:22, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with 1337: First of all, we should not indentify Fay Dunbar and her friend with the unidentified Gryffindor girls seen in the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, because this film shows multiple Gryffindor girls in Harry's year (Hermione, Calì, Padma, Lavanda, Kellah and the two unidentified Gryffindor girls). Since J. K. Rowling confirmed several times there were only ten Gryffindors in Harry's year, we can't know which girls from the film must be considered canon (certainly not Padma, who is a Ravenclaw). J. K. Rowling also stated the names of the two "missing girls" are in the classlist and there is no Fay DUnbar in the classlist. So we should reduce both the film characters and the video games characters to non-canonical characters. GianG (talk) 11:35, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

How do we know that the dark-haried girl in the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is "Fay Dunbar"? She is never given a name in the film, and where is the actual confirmed link between her, the girl in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (video game) and the girl confirmed to be Fay in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (video game)? I am skeptical of this, and I fear her attributed appearances in the two POA releases may be in fact, fanon. RedWizard98 (talk) 11:40, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

You're not the only one skeptical about this, as seen in the convo above. =/ --Sammm✦✧(talk) 15:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen. I think the probable reason she has been said to be the same girl in each release, is simply in each release, this girl has a very similar appearance and she is a Gryffindor girl in Harry's year. Does anyone know the name of the actress who plays this brown haired girl in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (film), and the name she is credited with? This could help us understand who she is. What do you think exactly, Sammmm? RedWizard98 (talk) 16:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

My thoughts on the matter can be seen here (the 6th "#") and possible actresses imo here. Too long, so just redirecting where I first posted them instead of duplicating the whole thing. --Sammm✦✧(talk) 16:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm still very confused; what do others think about this?RedWizard98 (talk) 16:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Clarifications

Hi, as seen in #Canon? and #Canon, redux, at least 7 Users have expressed concerns over how this article is handled, but the discussion never seemed to go beyond, well, discussion. Since the above convo has been sitting around, after reading the entire Talk page, I'd like to ask for some clarifications in oder to hopefully move forward.

This batch of edits seemed to be the last one that's strictly based on confirmed sources, and the info has been mentioned in #Subjects. Even with the limited amount of info in this revision, I already have several questions. The ref for her school year was "Fay tells Harry "I think one of the girls in my dormitory has a machine for drying her hair," which adds "Speak to Hermione" to the player's task list, indicating that Fay shared a dormitory with Hermione and was Sorted in 1991."

I have no full context as to why Fay was telling Harry about what hypothetically is a hairdryer, but also, what convo the next step "Speak to Hermione" brought out; like, did Hermione confirm that she herself is in fact Fay's roommate, or did Harry simply ask someone who he thinks may know about the matter, or did Harry say something like "Fay said one of your roommates has [...], is it you" to confirm the fact? I mean, is the option "Speak to Hermione" showing up after an indirectly mentioned individual enough as a confirmation, that yes, Hermione is Fay's roommate (in the game,) when it wasn't mentioned by name? I know I'm sounding dense and likely nit-picking, but if anyone has the followup convo on what Hermione actually said, it might be of use to firmly confirm Fay to be Hermione's roommate (since there's no other contradiction?)

I also felt the need to ask this due the remaining part of the ref "Additionally, she tells Harry "I'm taking my N.E.W.T. Potions this term," indicating that she had to be either a sixth or seventh year during the 1996-1997 term."; she could have been either a sixth or seventh year during the 1996-1997 term, but looks to be decidedly limited to sixth year due to her "being Hermione's roommate," and with that, as pointed out in #Subjects, making her taking Potions non-canon. Which is why, though feeling silly, I do think it's crucial to know if she is undoubtably Hermione's roommate, because if she isn't, her taking N.E.W.T. Potions would then not necessarily be non-canon (plausible as a possible seventh year.)

A lot of ifs, I know. Later edits have in fact at one point removed the statement of her being the confirmed roommates while the ref was still there, so I don't think it's too farfetched to say I wasn't the only one not firmly sold on her roommate status based on the ref alone.

If this is very easy for HBP NDS players to verify, it'd be really kind to spare me from wayyyy overthinking about the "is she or isn't she Hermione's roommate" question by providing the full convo. I just feel like, if there's no ambiguity about what was actually said, people likely wouldn't be as uncertain when asked about Hermione's unnamed roommates.

For whoever that finished reading the above, thanks for being patient with me lol. --Sammm✦✧(talk) 10:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

From what you've told me, I can gather that Fay is said to be on the student list for Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (video game) (console versions) and appears in person in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (video game). However, the girl in the Gryffindor common room in the third game isn't said to be Fay, or anyone for that matter (she could a student in any year) and the girl in the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban isn't even named, so it is not Fay. I think I will be doing some work on this article soon to separate these facts.RedWizard98 (talk) 13:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree the article needs clarifying. Fay Dunbar's friend will need checking too, since the same thing has happened to her article. I don't know how it was decided that the girl in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (film) or Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (video game) was Fay, and I haven't found anything to support it so I think they will need to be separated into two "unidentified" pages. She appears in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (video game) and was attending in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (video game), so that should stay together in "Fay Dunbar".

I couldn't verify if Hermione was the girl who had a hairdryer. I watched videos of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (video game) (DS), but I couldn't find the scene. I think it's very likely, because it's a big coincidence that he has the option of speaking to her about it. But we could put it in behind the scenes and cover both possibilities of her being a sixth or seventh year for now? - Kates39 (talk) 16:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I'd agree. While there is a physical resemblemblence , it should be separated. Fay is likely to be a seventh year, as the book, the highest canon source, it said Harry, Ron and Hermione were the only sixth year Gryffindors taking potions. She may have been a sixth year and her taking of Potions non-canonical. Rodolphus (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Indeed you are correct. I shall start the separation. RedWizard98 (talk) 18:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

JK Rowling herself has never confirmed the names of these two Gryffindor girl from the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. There is all the official clarification needed.RedWizard98 (talk) 19:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)