I'm not sure if Rowling's tweet is enough to prove this school also Sorts people into houses. The question she was asked was "You have selected the characters in Fantastic Beasts to the houses of Hogwarts???" [sic] and I take it her answer was meant to be read as "I know what Houses the American characters would've been Sorted to, had they studied at Hogwarts", or at least that was how I understood it. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 17:33, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Another thing: Should we take her comment as a confirmation that Porpentima and her sister Queenie attended the school? Jacob is a muggle, and Modesty's blood status is, as of now, unknown.--Rodolphus (talk) 17:45, July 20, 2015 (UTC)
Admittedly, it's debateable, and I absolutely see what you mean, but personally I took the line "the other heroes went to the American school of wizardry and yes, I know their houses" to mean more that the American school does have houses and she knows which ones they were sorted into (as you could tell from my edit to the page). Of course, it isn't my decision as to what's meant, it's J. K. Rowling's, so I'll leave it up to the community :p --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 18:18, July 20, 2015 (UTC)


Pottermore lists Ilvermorny as a North American school rather than an American school and the location on the map seems, to be generous to my American friends, very close to the Canadian-American border - which used to be the longest undefended border in the world but which is now guarded by drones. You might be able to get Vermont out of Ilvermorny but that is stretching it. Pottermore link [1] Link to map of North America [2] (Vaudree (talk) 05:10, January 30, 2016 (UTC))

Based on the proximity to the mouth of the St Lawerence, it would seem that the location would either be Quebec or Maine. Ozdust (talk) 18:49, January 30, 2016 (UTC)
I would point out that the last two letters of the name are "NY", which is the abbreviation for New York state. That is consistent with the rough location on the map.  Perhaps it is significant, perhaps not. Wva (talk) 04:34, February 1, 2016 (UTC)
Or it's in Quebec (the Francophone province, for non-Canucks) and its name is an Anglicization of a French place name beginning with Île, "island," which would mean it's probably an island, maybe in the Saint Lawrence River or in one of Quebec's many lakes. Starstuff (Owl me!) 07:10, February 1, 2016 (UTC) Honestly, I do think this theory is the best one ^^ Lady Junky 07:43, February 1, 2016 (UTC)
I spotted the phrase "White River" in the trailer for the new Pottermore content. My prediction is that Ilvermorny is located near White River, Ontario, which fits with my above "Île" theory (a look at Google Maps shows that the area is surrounded by many lakes, which could conceivably be home to an Unplottable island). Starstuff (Owl me!) 01:28, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
'A' versus 'The' - I think that Ilvermorny should be referred to as 'an' american school rather then 'the' American/Canadian school, since 'The' is definative and suggests that it is the only one of its catagory (North Aerican/Canadian Wizarding Schools) where it may not be. It does seem very unlikely there is a second big wizarding school in the NA/C area, but, as Pottermore says, small wizarding schools (in hedge school style) pop up and die down all the time.
Please tell me if I'm doing this wrong, I've never used the Talk section before —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Felix Scamander (talkcontribs).
I agree with you.--Rodolphus (talk) 18:59, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
About the 'a' v 'the' topic: it seems to me that Ilvermorny should be reffered as 'the' North American school, as does the other schools. The eleven wizarding schools, as Pottermore says, are properly registered with the International Confederation of Wizards and their countries' respective magical government. They are official, and I think refering to them as 'the' wizarding schools sounds more proper. Mnonai (talk) 19:23, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, why don't we compromise and call it 'the official North American/Canadian school'? --Felix Scamander (talk) 19:40, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
No need for it, because there is only one North American school. That's the whole point, isn't it? Mnonai (talk) 19:46, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
Pottermore says on the entry about Wizarding Schools that there are a number of small wizarding schools not registered by the authorities, so it it is unlikely that Ilvermorny is the only school on the entire continent.--Rodolphus (talk) 20:06, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
Pottermore specifically says that 'smaller and less well-regulated institutions have come and gone, are difficult to keep track of, and are rarely registered with the appropriate Ministry'. It does not give any locations, although Pottermore's page for Uagadou reveal there may be smaller schools in Africa. I'm not saying there could not be anymore smaller schools wherever, I'm just dealing with canon information. Mnonai (talk) 20:54, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, dearie me. Mnonai, are you trying to be frustrating? There may well be other small schools around the place there may well not. Either way, this compromise is the best way to avoid confusing other wiki users about its status. (Hello, SpeakBeasty.) --Felix Scamander (talk) 07:24, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
I just think it is redundant to keep implying things that were never said. Besides some specialised schools in Europe and the smaller ones in Africa, no other magical school is mentioned -- not even implied -- in canon source. In fact, the Pottermore entry for Wizarding Schools says that home schooling and correspondence courses are more common and viable options for wizarding populations of most countries. Nevertheless, calling Ilvermorny "an officially registered North American" whatsoever sounds way more confusing than... Well, 'the'. Mnonai (talk) 11:28, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
Isn't a good article supposed to contain the proper information and be precise? It dosen't matter if it is more complicated then 'the', it gets the point through better. --Felix Scamander (talk) 16:55, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
@Starstuff: did not know it was Winnipeg's (Winnie's) birth place - thank you. As much as I wish you were right, the reference is to a monster living in Arkansas - "Thiago Quintana caused ripples through the magical world when his sleek and usually lengthy wands began entering the market, each encasing a single translucent spine from the back of the White River Monsters of Arkansas and producing spells of force and elegance." [3] (Vaudree (talk) 19:55, March 16, 2016 (UTC))

Meaning of name

It strikes me as being a compound word. Morny or "morne" is easy because it comes from the old French meaning both gloomy and mountain. It could also refer to a heraldic symbol of a lion rendered powerless - but that is stretching it. You could also relate it to the Mourne cliffs of Ireland though you would have to look up what Mughdorna, mughdhorna or mugdorna mean.

The Ilver part can either come from the Finnish word "ilves" meaning "lynx" and there are lynxes in that area and - Finnish, Norwegian, Swedish settlers in the American side of the border. Or it can be "elver" an early English term meaning "young eel"


ilves=lynx (Finnish)

-morne=heraldic lion without teeth, tongue or claws.

morne=gloomy, glum, dismal, dreary, small mountain, stand alone mountain,

[5][6] [7][8]


-elver=young eel [9] (Vaudree (talk) 05:10, January 30, 2016 (UTC))

Houses 2

Per the code on Pottermore:

"ilvermorny-sorting": {
  storyTitle:"Ilvermorny School of Witchcraft and Wizardry",
  quizTitle:"The Ilvermorny Sorting Ceremony",
  quizIntroText:"Where do you belong? Horned Serpent, Wampus, Thunderbird or Pukwudgie..."

The following four houses for the Ilvermorny School of Witchcraft and Wizardry:

  • Horned Serpent
  • Wampus
  • Thunderbird
  • Pukwudgie

Caveat: Admittedly, these could be wand cores? But the phrasing suggests houses/tribes. --TigerC10 (Talk) 11:26, May 8, 2016‎ (UTC)

I don't think source code should be considered a valid source of information. Also, please sign your posts on talkpages using the signature button in the toolbar or by typing ~~~~. --Sajuuk 11:30, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
Well it's hit The Leaky Cauldron and Twitter so the Wampus cat is out of the bag! --Ironyak1 (talk) 14:15, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
Whoops, my bad. I'm going to go ahead and add a backup/prettified version of the source code here too - who knows if the Pottermore angular developers will catch on and clean up their leak. TigerC10 (talk) 17:54, May 8, 2016 (UTC)


Is there a source for the school being located in the Adirondack mountains?--Rodolphus (talk) 15:54, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

Unless someone has better infomation, No. The [tweet] says "IS NEWT GOING TO VISIT A SCHOOL IN NEW YORK OMG YES" to which JKR replies "No, but he's going to meet people who were educated at [name] in [not New York]." So we can say for sure it's not in New York. As for the Adironack Mountains, that may be based off the vague location given on the [Pottermore Map] but it cover's a wide area and may or may not be in the mountains. --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:16, May 22, 2016 (UTC)
I agree the Adirondack refernce should be removed as it likely does not have any support.  HOWEVER, I don't think we can conclusively say it is not in New York (state.)  Remember there is New York (city) and New York (state).  I think there was a decent chance of JKR saying that the school is not located in New York (city). Wva (talk) 17:23, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

Should we presume that all of the mentioned American witches and wizards went to Ilvermorny and add them to the list of students? Andrewh7 (talk) 01:56, September 29, 2016 (UTC) Andrewh7

I think not, unless its specifically stated that they did or did not. Some may have attended a smaller school closer to home, or were home-schooled. Per Ankh ED 01:58, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Original House Crests / Logos

Is it possible to include the original logos too and a mention about how they were changed due to copyright concerns? I think it is definitely worth noting for those confused about the change. Stexe (talk) 17:46, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Feel free to add it with a source in the Behind the Scenes section :) --Kates39 (talk) 18:55, January 5, 2017 (UTC)


In what age children start going to school? Is it like in Hogwarts?

Ilvermorny in FB 3.

Did JKR actually say that Ilvermorny will be in FB 3? I think she just said that Professor Hicks will have a big role.--Rodolphus (talk) 15:18, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

No she never said that, only mentioned Professor Hicks and her role in the films. IlvermornyWizard (talk) 15:27, April 23, 2018 (UTC) IlvermornyWizard

We should remove the point in the BTS section then.--Rodolphus (talk) 15:33, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Behind the scenes

The mention of an American wizarding school in Goblet of Fire was more likely the Salem Witches institute, not the South American school.Launcelot69 (talk) 11:52, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

The Salem Witches' Institute is not a wizarding school, it is an organization. It was presumed to be a school, but it is definitely not. IlvermornyWizard (talk) 12:39, October 17, 2018 (UTC) IlvermornyWizard

Ilvermony 400

Best wishes to Ilvermony on its quadricentennial year! A different user. (talk) 12:26, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Not yet. Ilvermorny was founded in 1627 not 1629 so Ilvermorny as not yet reached 400 years yet. Andrewh7 (talk) 23:04, February 19, 2020 (UTC) Andrewh7
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