Talk:Jacob's sibling

Name?

So, I haven't been able to play this game yet because it's not out on iOS, but is there a default surname listed during the character creation process? If there is, then using the default surname as the title for this article strikes me as preferable to the current placeholder title, which is clunky and difficult to work into prose. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 14:12, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

Judging from the playthroughs on Youtube, there is no default surname. The player writes the name they want to go by themselves (unlike, say, Fantastic Beasts: Cases from the Wizarding World, in which you had to select from a list of names and surnames). --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 18:23, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

I did, however, go through the trouble of listing all default surenames of all the default surenames of Fantastic Beasts: Cases of the Wizarding World, on the talkpage of the "wizarding famililies" category, but I don't think anyone ever saw it. Ninclow (talk) 20:44, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

Seer or Divination?

Should Divination or Seer be added to Jacob's Sibling's magical abilities instead of mentioned in the trivia section? We know they a vision of the cursed ice covering the school and it later does start happening. Seems to pretty much confirm they are a Seer. StargateFanBB (talk) 17:57, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

Profile pic

I think that the profile pic used for Jacob's sibling should be removed as he/she can be female or male and adding a female profile pic adds the connotation, that she is female.Felix Fellicis (talk) 18:25, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Seconded.  (SWUFan2150 (talk) 17:26, May 8, 2018 (UTC)). 

The profile picture came from the trailer for the game, which gives the same impression of the player's appearance. When the game loads, there's a picture which shows the same girl in the place of the player. The image was added by an admin I think, hopefully they can weigh in. I'm not opposed to it because the articles notes it depends on the player. I would rather have an official picture from the game than nothing. People who play the game have the same picture on their device anyway. - Kates39 (talk) 21:58, May 8, 2018 (UTC)

House - BTS section?

Taking what we know from higher canon sources into account, can we narrow down Jacob's sibbling's House in the BTS section?

1. Pottermore tells us that no Non-Slytherin has entered the Common Room in hundreds of years. This should exclude Hufflepuff and Gryffindor, as they are caught in-game sneaking into the Slytherin room.--Rodolphus (talk) 11:26, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

But if no non-Slytherin's had entered the Slytherin common room in hundreds of years, then it includes Hufflepuff and Gryffindor. And the game depends on the choices of players, meaning Jacob's sibling can be in any House. I don't now whether the game-makers have thought of an actual determined story where it can be canon and Jacob's sibling has one House.

I was wondering lately whether we should actually consider the game canon because there are many contradictions - a lot more than I had realised. I thought the basic story would at least be the same, but now I don't know. You have pointed out another contradiction I hadn't realised. The game's Tier 3 canon and Pottermore's Tier 1 canon. Tier 1 wins in this case. - Kates39 (talk) 11:50, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

Name Change Suggestion

As suggested by Matt London, writer on Hogwarts Mystery here: tweet , how about we name Jacob's Sibling as The Vault-Breaker? I think it's a more proper stand-in name, Jacob's Sibling can naturally stay as a redirect. DanyyelTR (talk) 16:01, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

I disagree. First of all, "Vault-Breaker"? Like, as in the character broke the vault? Can it be fixed?? What?? I'm assuming it's trying to say: "the person who has broken into the vault", but even if that's the case, Jacob's Sibling was not the only person who has gotten into the vaults, even adding the "the" to describe "Vault-Breaker", does not specify the matter much. I'm not saying "Jacob's sibling" is perfect, but at the moment, it's the most direct description for the character.

Also, even if Matt was still a writer of Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery at the time of the Tweet, he's no longer one after Year 3. He even said that "The Vault-Breaker" is the name he'd go with, unofficially, in the Tweet you provided. I suppose, if anything, "(the?) Vault-Breaker" can be used as a redirect to the character, but definitely not the other way around. --Sammm✦✧(talk) 20:16, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

I think we should just keep using Jacob's sibling in the aritcles mentioning him/her. Vault-Breaker would be harder to do and might actually look weirder in an article when their mentioned.StargateFanBB (talk) 21:41, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox

I noticed the infobox is headed with "Unidentified 1980s Hogwarts student". Is this really fitting? I mean, it isn't as though they're unidentified, it's just that their identity varies depending on who plays them.

Shouldn't it just be "Jacob's Sibling?"

민태준 - 슈가 ^{(Inconvenience me here!)} 17:21, February 6, 2019 (UTC)

"Overly-elaborated observation"

It wasn't an observation that both were young and had Dumbledore's confidence, it was an observation that stated their background, motivations/personalities, skills, (what skills Hestia have been established to have, that is) and prerequisites/precondition are identical, but... Whatever. Maester Martin (talk) 23:20, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

Filling in the blanks?

Hello. I spoke with RedWizard98 about this, and he suggested I put the suggestion up here on the talk page so people could actually pitch in. 

I have been adding content from Hogwarts Mystery lately, which I started playing a while back and are absolutely hooked on, but as it is, I quite frankly find writing and reading about the Main Character to be a needlessly cumbersome process, and have to keep re-reading stuff all the time because I sometimes get confused if "they", "them" is referring to Jacob's sibling, or Jacob's sibling and their friends. Now, in every piece of promotional footage and other material I have come across that does not specifically show off the customization process, the main character of Hogwarts Mystery is female, and as the BTS points out, the original name seems to have been "Maya", according to the original trailer. So I was wondering if, in the interest of separating the game mechanics from the in-universe perspective of the article as much as possible, perhaps we could get some sort of consensus on the idea of using what at least seems to have been the original idea for the Main Character on the part of those making the game to institute the name Maya and the female gender as wiki-specific placeholders for some of the "unknowns" that is left up to the individual player for the sake of clarity and to simplify things? I mean - so what if the character can be customized and all that within the game itself, and that individual players can pick and choose whatever they like? The logistics of the gameplay isn't supposed to be a part of the character pages anyway, so if the Main Character is supposed to be unique to each player, I don't really why the wikia can't have one that's unique to it as well?.We can still add in the BTS section that gender, name, ethnicity, etc, is optional for those who play the game, but again, that's game mechanics. That, I think, should be seperate from the character as its own, seperate entity within the story. Tfoc (talk) 06:22, April 3, 2020 (UTC)

Advaced Arithmancy?

Hey, guys. Hope you are all doing well and keeping safe in the midst of this pandemic.

To keep it brief, I have been pondering over a particular matter for quite some time, but have now decided that it's best to ask your opinions on it, before making any hasty changes to the article. 

To elaborate, if you guys are familiar with the Year 3 Side Quest "Crushed" in which Bill Wealey discloses his infatuation with his fellow Gryffindor Emily Tyler to the main character and requests that they talk to her about this, the main character appears to imply that they take Advaced Arithmancy. This implication occurs right before they familiarise themselves with Emily Tyler, where they exasperatedly remark how romance is more complicated than Advanced Arithmancy. If you want to have a quick look at this exchange, then please head over this video and skip ahead to 1:35. Thank you for reading all this and I hope to hear your thoughts on whether or not you think this remark means they take Advanced Arithmancy. Mite-Man16 (talk) 18:04, April 17, 2020 (UTC)

New profile picture suggestion

--RogueOwner (talk) 00:42, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

I'm personally okay with either of the profile pictures, although I'm probably a bit more inclined to this new one. Mite-Man16 (talk) 00:50, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

I previewed it, and I think the new one looks better.
(owl post) 03:13, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

I don't have any preference either, but this File:JacobSiblingTransparent.png needs a completed Summary block with the Description, Source, etc or it will likely be deleted. Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 17:56, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

Behind the scenes book canon comment

This is reply to this edit. Please note that in the "Behind the scenes" section, commentary about how this article material agrees or differs from other HP sources.

As such, this point is noting that in the Harry Potter books, Slytherin won the House Cups from 1986 to 1991. As much of Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery takes place during these years, according to the book canon, Slytherin would win the house cups for these years, so if the player's character wins the house cup during these times they should have to have been in sorted into Slytherin.

The fact that players influence the house cups, and other houses can win in the game during these year, is what is being noted as not aligning with established book canon. Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 03:25, June 26, 2020 (UTC)

Book canon dictates that Slytherin repeatedly won the House Cup for seven consecutive years before Harry's arrival at Hogwarts. Those seven years were Jacob's sibling's tenure at Hogwarts, with their House being canonically unidentified as the player can select their own House in-game. The acquisition of the House Cup is entirely determined by how well the player successfully racks up House points, meaning that it is impossible to deduce whether Jacob's sibling canonically racked up enough House points, along with their fellow House members, to win the House Cup each year. In addition, their enmity with Slytherins such as Merula and Snape further disproves the assumption that they were canonically Slytherin. Mite-Man16 (talk) 16:31, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

We obviously know that Jacob's sibling doesn't actually have a set house in the game. That paragraph is just a notable comment, that's why it's a side note in the behind the scenes section, and not in the main body of the article. As Yak has already said, the behind the scenes section is for out-of-universe commentary about how article material agrees or differs from other HP sources. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  16:39, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps the current wording is somewhat muddled but much like the BTS note at House Cup, the intent is show that Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery can differ from higher book canon as the player can win the House Cup during these years despite not being in Slytherin. Or to put it conversely, to align with book canon, the player would need to be in Slytherin to win the House Cup. Does anyone have a better way to restate the BTS note that might make it clearer? Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:42, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

That paragraph doesn't warrant a place in the 'Behind the scenes' section, as Jacob's sibling could just as easily be in any other House apart from Slytherin. There is NO proof in-game or from a canonical perspecive that Jacob's sibling was most likely to have been Sorted into Slytherin. Their acquisition of the House Cup entirely depends on how successful the player is in garnering House points. Why can't they canonically have been in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff? There is no indication that they may canonically have been Sorted into Slytherin because their racking up House points is  determined by the player. Mite-Man16 (talk) 17:00, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

Once again, that paragraph is not written from an in-universe perspective. "The behind the scenes section is for out-of-universe commentary about how article material agrees or differs from other HP sources." All it means is that the Hogwarts Mystery universe differs from the book universe, because in the book universe Slytherin wins the house cup in those years, whereas in the game other houses are able to. That's all it means. And it says "canonically Slytherin" because the book universe is the highest canon. All the paragraph is saying is that had Jacob's sibling appeared in the book, they would have been Slytherin, because, rather obviously, book characters' houses cannot be determined by a "player". -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  17:08, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

I am perfectly aware of the purpose of the 'Behind the scenes' section, so there is no need for you to reiterate its meaning to me. I am only questioning the supposed necessity of that particular comment in that particular section. There is absolutely no indication that had Jacob's sibling appeared in the books, they would have been a Slytherin. Since their rackng up of House points is entirely dependent by the level of effort from the player's in-game exploits, meaning that since it is possible that they could never win the House Cup, it could very well be that Jacob's sibling, for example, was a Ravenclaw who could never obtain acquisition of the House Cup for the seven years that they spent at Hogwarts, as Slytherin remained the prevailing House for seven consecutive years. Do you see what I'm trying to convey here? Why is there a comment on the 'Behind the scenes' section that implies that Jacib's sibling was specifically Sorted into Slytherin when they could just as equally have been in any other House had they appeared in the books? I must also stess the indisputable fact that they were quite antagonistic with Slytherin members Snape and Merula, which fails to make sense if Jacob's sibling had been a Slytherin. I mean, in only their first year, Merula tried to unsuccessfully kill them and Snape not only deducted over 30 House points from them (which would be from his House had Jacob's sibling been a Slytherin) in less than a month's time, but even ardently endeavored to have them expelled, and was often partial to Merula despite (in your head canon) Jacob's sibling being a Slytherin as well. Why would Snape display such contempt for a magically gifted and highly promising student of his own House? It just does not fit at all with your established canon. Mite-Man16 (talk) 01:42, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

Playing the devil's advocate, I believe Snape and Merula are just as antagonistic to the player even if they are Sorted into Slytherin. But I do agree the wording of the BTS entry was a bit too awkward (Jacob's sibling does not necessarily win the House Cup in-game, I think). I've rewritten it so it's hopefully a bit better. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 02:41, June 28, 2020 (UTC)