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Might the fact that the students prize cherry wands come from the cultural significance of cherry blossoms in Japan? Cherry blossoms, if I recall correctly, have a ton of symbolism attached (mortality, beauty, clouds; connection to militarism in WWII...) 109.192.143.85 09:06, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Book of Potions[]
Does Wonderbook reveal more information on the School?--Rodolphus (talk) 19:22, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, all I know is that there is a student from Mahoutokoro competing in the Wizarding Schools Potions Championship. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 19:47, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
Can you give a link with this information?--Rodolphus (talk) 20:00, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
Pronunciation guide[]
Is the pronunciation given, "Mah - hoot - o - koh - ro", Word of God, i.e. from Rowling herself? Because the more usual way to pronounce "Mahoutokoro" is more like "Ma-hoh-to-koro", long "o" sound on the second syllable (like a garden "hoe"), and short "o"s (like the "o" in "tic-tok") on all the others. Also, each syllable should start with a consonant and end with a vowel, unless it's just a vowel on its own; so no "hoot" or even "haute".
More than you probably wanted to know: 魔法, meaning "magic", is pronounced まほう, where each hiragana letter is usually transliterated as "mo-ho-u" in standard Romaji; Yale transliteration would have it as "ma-ho-o", but in either case the last two hiragana combine to make the long "o" sound. The last character, 所, is pronounced ところ, or "to-ko-ro" (in both Romaji and Yale), meaning "place". To make a "hoo" sound isn't possible in standard Japanese, but you could approximate with ふう, "fuu" or "fū".
I am only an egg in terms of speaking and reading Japanese, but the above is fairly solid; while there are regional variations I may not be aware of (my teacher taught Tokyo dialect), of course, I know I'm on solid ground regarding the consonant-vowel thing, and fairly confident about the most common pronunciation of 魔法. TheOriginalNelC (talk) 20:38, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
- I would think so. The pronunciation is taken from the Pottermore website, which says the info is from Rowling. Not to mention, she's pretty much redirecting people every once in a while to the Pottermore website for Harry Potter updates of any kind. EternalLocket (talk) 21:27, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
- I guess I should write to Rowling, then. ;) TheOriginalNelC (talk) 21:30, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
Number of school years[]
Should we add that Mahoutokoro has at least ten school years? They start at age 7, and students participate in the Potions championship at age 17.--Rodolphus (talk) 12:17, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
"School of Magic"[]
I don't think we should call it "Mahoutokoro School of Magic" because the Japanese for "Mahoutokoro" already means "School of Magic" (actually there's a difference, see the etymology section, but you know what I mean), so it really translates roughly to "School of Magic School of Magic". JKR only used "Mahoutokoro" in her WW article, and I don't really know about how it's depicted in the Wonderbook, but I don't think it can take precedence over an article written directly by JKR herself. "Mahoutokoro" is the full name of this school, no need to add other words. MalchonC (talk) 07:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
It's refered to as such in Wonderbook.I don't know if it is capitalised, though. I'm not sure, but I think I've heard that JKR wrote the story of Wonderbook herself.Rodolphus (talk) 07:42, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- But according to WW that article was published later than the Wonderbook so it's a more recent source. MalchonC (talk) 08:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Agreed that it is more recent, though I still think that the long name should be used if it is capitalised, like we also do for Hogwarts, which is also commonly refered to by its shortened name in all sources. Mahoutokoro appears to be a similar short name. Ilvermorny may be another example. It was referred to by it's full name only once or twice I think, and the script of COG, which was released after the Pottermore entry, only refers to the shortened name I think. Though the article title still uses "of Witchcraft and Wizardry". Alternativeny, these articles could be moved as well.Rodolphus (talk) 09:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- JKR titled her Ilvermorny article "Ilvermorny School of Witchcraft and Wizardry", but just "Mahoutokoro" for Mahoutokoro, which in my opinion indicates that this is already the full and longest name acceptable and adding "School of Magic" is just redundant. MalchonC (talk) 09:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Good point. I think it could be a good idea to move the part about it being refered to as "Mahoutokoro School of Magic" to the BTS section, and the same could be done with Uagadou and Koldovstoretz.Rodolphus (talk) 09:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- Is there any objection to the moves of these three pages? I'll revisit tomorrow and if there's none, I'll move them. MalchonC (talk) 16:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Mahoutokoro was referred to as the Mahoutokoro School of Magic in Year 7 Chapter 23 of Hogwarts Mystery. Should the name be changed to Mahoutokoro School of Magic? Andrewh7 (talk) 08:14, 6 February 2022 (UTC) Andrewh7
- Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery is only third-tier, so I'm not sure why you're pointing this out when we've already discussed the first-tier appearances above. MalchonC (talk) 05:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's not how it works. A school's formal name doesn't become longer when lower-tier canon says so. If JKR herself names the school "Mahoutokoro", that's what the name is, and if a game decides to lengthen it, that's their decision, not JKR's. If a game refers to Hogwarts as "Hogwarts School of Basic, Intermediate and Advanced Witchcraft and Wizardry", would you change the name as well? MalchonC (talk) 06:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
This is a difficult nut, isn't it? On the one hand, according to the wiki's canon policy, a lower-tier source is to be accepted as long as it does not directly contradict Tier-One source. The fact that the article on HarryPotter.com does not give it the designation of "School of Magic" is not the same as the article saying that it isn't part of the name. Therefore, an argument could be made for HM adding to the name and not retconning it.
On the other hand, since the word of Mahoutokoro, as was pointed out above, is rooted etymologically in "school of magic", it's also possible that just Mahoutokoro is the formal name, and the one used in Asia by native speakers/witches and wizards who knows Japanese, who can work out and understand the word, and by extension, the reference point of what people mean when they used the quasi-Japanese word "Mahoutokoro", but that "School of Magic" is something that is often added by English-speaking wizards as clarification of what the word "Mahoutokoro" means because it's not a word/name that is necessarily a common part of their vocabulary and want to make sure other peopel know what the word means. So either, we're looking on a piece of added lore from a low-tier source, or potentially a note for the BTS section. Perhaps we should include the input of an administrator to settle this? WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 06:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think we can even put "Mahoutokoro, or Mahoukotoro School of Magic" at the start of the article, because it's true that multiple canonical sources, though lower-tier, have referred to the school as the long name. But when it comes to the formal name, I still think "Mahoutokoro" is correct. It is indeed possible that "School of Magic" is added by English-speaking wizards, but since Mahoutokoro is a Japanese institution, what English-speaking wizards may add is not relevant to what the formal name is. MalchonC (talk) 07:12, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
National team members[]
Where are Quidditch National team members identified as graduates of Mahoutokoro? There is no canon that all witches and wizards in Japan are required to attend Mahoutokoro.Pevo971 (talk) 02:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The section on this page about the Japanese Quidditch team having attended Mahoutokoro is clearly referenced. The source is this. - MrSiriusBlack Talk 03:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)