Random Quote Block

People's thoughts on changing over to a random quote choice at the top instead of having constant back and forth edits over the "best" quote to display? Should offer a more rounded view of the character instead of a single interpretation, although everyone can make sure their favorite quote is included. Or does this approach seem "extreme"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ironyak1 (talkcontribs).

That seems rather extreme. It's just easier to revert the edits. Also, you really need to remember to sign your talkpage posts, it's getting annoying adding the unsigned template on your posts. --Sajuuk 18:32, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
It's not a matter of reverting - there is no "right" quote or "best" version so why not have a way to display the various quotes that everyone wants to include? How is this approach extreme again? Sorry for forgetting to sign my talk posts - I will work on remembering (but feel free not to fix so you're not annoyed) --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:45, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
Bumping this - any additional thoughts or concerns about using a <choose><option> block to allow for randomized quotes to be displayed for Snape? --Ironyak1 (talk) 06:19, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
Given there has been no explanation of the original push-back against this change, nor has there been any objection from the notified admins, I am going to re-implement this feature to allow for randomized top quotes. I've added a comment line to the section explaining how to add additional quotes. This should provide a test case for one possible solution for very quotable characters other than constant editing of the "best" or favorite top quote. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:57, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so I'm not allowed to go around changing things without consensus, but other people can do it? Double standards are great.
This is not going to help the wiki, it is just going to result in the unnecessary addition of completely unwanted quotes and clog the top of the page for no gain at all. --Sajuuk 19:00, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
I'll let you explain what changes you wanted to make without consensus, but I don't think they had to do with this page. As for clogging the top of page (for editing), these quotes could be moved off onto a separate "Snape-Quotes" template to create a single line here, but many possible quotes behind the scenes. That sounds like a good approach in general so the feedback is appreciated. Again, the gain is that many valuable quotes can be displayed without the back and forth edits over the "best" one. I'd like to let it stay for a few days to gather other input, but then can transfer over to the template as needed. --Ironyak1 (talk) 19:18, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry that I haven't had time to look into this over the last couple of days. This proposal involves a relatively minor change to an article, as opposed to a major change to established policy or procedure, and there isn't (at least to my recollection) a pre-existing consensus regarding which quote to feature at the top of the article. So this isn't a case that really necessitates nailing down a clear consensus before taking any action. But I still would've given at least a week for people to weigh in before implementing the proposal. It isn't really the type of matter that requires a prompt response in my mind.
I don't have a strong opinion regarding the quote randomizer. But I tend to favour a "less is more" approach, so instead of allowing people to add as many quotes as they like to it, I think we ought to hold a vote to winnow it down to three or four select quotes. I know the "always" and "look at me" quotes are fan favourites, but plucked out of the context of their respective scenes, they don't make much sense, much less carry an emotional impact. I think headline quotes should be capable of standing on their own, requiring little or no explanation to be understood. Starstuff (Owl me!) 00:41, May 7, 2016 (UTC)
Hey Starstuff - If you look at the history of this conversation, I originally made this single change to this single article on 26 Apr (10 days ago) and was, and still am, a bit surprised by the push-back or that it requires Admin attention. While I agree that the implementation timing is non-critical, I also think there should be some consensus on a sufficient wait time for responses so that edits don't just fall off the map. In the future for any pending issues, I thinking of bumping and canvasing opinions after a few days, then waiting 7+ days for any feedback (as this aligns with voting timelines) before moving forward (or not). Does this seems like a reasonable approach to you?
As for the quotes, I would like to suggest that the total number be ten, as in the top ten. I think that for major characters (especially Snape and Dumbledore), there are easily several, strong, stand-alone quotes, but agree that there should be a limit. By moving these off into a template, the several quotes won't get in the way of editing the main article, and would make it a little more difficult to edit for new users (or could even be under protection separate from the article). However, given the general lack of site wide participation, it seems difficult to go through a discussion & voting procedure each time someone argues for changes, but would suggest allowing selected quotes to develop more naturally based on the efforts of those who are interested enough to sort out how they work. Just my 2 (or more ;) cents. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 03:49, May 7, 2016 (UTC)


Snape was devastated by Lily's death, sinking into a suicidal depression that seemingly lasted the rest of his life.

I feel that this a very poor conjencture on the part of the author of this sentence. Suicidal? Surely, [citation needed].

Mcepl (talk) 10:19, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

Though it's conjecteure, it's not a ‘poor’ one.
Snape sinking himself into his unbelievably dangerous spywork could be seen as him losing the will to live, and only carrying on in his duties to Lily's memories. And there's the fact that he's constantly trying to take the super-cursed Defence Professorship — considering what he has to say about Kappas, he's actually a rubbish teacher, and this doesn't help his cover of barely-reformed former Dark Wizard, so why does he want the job? Answer: because he secretly hopes the curse will get him and he will be set free.
Again, there's no doubt that this is all just conjecture and interpretation; removing such a clear-cut sentence from the article was a right call. But it's a very defendable position to assert Snape was suicidal, at least somewhat. As for depression, practically the first word you'd use to describe the man is "gloomy" (right after "unpleasant" and "terrifying"), so it's not much of a leap. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 21:06, May 28, 2018 (UTC)


Should it say that Snape is shorter than 5'9.5, as it says in chapter 15 of the Order of the Phoenix that Sirius is "rather taller than snape", and it says on Sirius' page that he is 5'9.5". This isn't incredibly important but I just noticed it for some reason.

Grace, Sovereign, M (message,talk) 20:04, September 27, 2017 (UTC)