Talk: Spanish National Quidditch team

Gender Problem

I think we have a problem with the genders of these players. Some players like Carmen or Ana are depicted as male in Quidditch World Cup. However, on the Frog Cards frop HP6 NDS/PSP, they are depicted as female... So what do we do in this case? Lady Junky 22:59, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Skin colour and other attributes

I think the infobox should show the same description for all Spanish Quidditch characters, after all, the descriptions are valid for all of them.

But more importantly, without going into assessing whether their physical descriptions are accurate or not, I believe that none of them are actually supported by official sources. Therefore, another possibility would be to eliminate such descripttions. User: Javier Navarro Fornés (talk) 15:16, April 29, 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. The descriptions, like eye colours and hair colours, can obviously be seen on the character model in the games. - Peregino (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

So, given that case, the logical thing is that these characters have the same descriptions of hair color, eyes, skin, etc. in their infoboxes. We will agree on that, I deduce.

User: Javier Navarro Fornés (talk) 15:16, April 29, 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. They do not all have the same hair color, eye color and etc. unless you are getting this information from somewhere like their Chocolate Frog Cards that have these physical descriptions that is different from the game's. Andrewh7 (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Andrewh7

Agree with Andrewh7. Additionally, information on this wiki has to come from a reliable and canonical source, not just some random thoughts or deduced opinions. - Peregino (talk) 16:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

These characters clearly do not have dark brown hair, black eyes, and are definitely not white. Not all Spanish people are white. Andrewh7 (talk) 16:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Andrewh7

Oppose. Virtually all Spaniards are white, regardless of whether they are tanned or not, like other southern European nationalities.

User: Javier Navarro Fornés (talk) 15:16, April 29, 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but we don't use speculation here, especially when the facts are obviously in front of us. - Peregino (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually I agree with Javier's last part here. 'Tanned' is not by itself a skin colour, I see no reason to exclude 'white' from the infoboxes. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  16:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I am quite surprised just how seriously you are all taking this, as these changes are ultimately inconsequential. "Tan", "Olive", and "White (Tanned)" basically mean the exact same thing: a tanned light skin color. This seems like a complete non-issue and there is no reason for an edit war to be happening here. All choices of wording make equal sense as they describe the same thing. I support Javier Navarro Fornés' wording because he seems more knowledgeable about the subject. If counterproductive edit wars continue to happen, the articles will be protected. Castlemore (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

There is actually a bit of a distinction between Tan/White (Tanned) and Olive. Tan/Tanned is from exposure to the sun while Olive is a natural skin color. Those characters are not white/definitely do not have white skin, not even tanned. Olive makes way more sense and like Peregino said is not speculating that their skin color is because of a tan. They could have been born with that skin color, not because of a tan. It is rather misleading and incorrect to leave it as White (Tanned). Javier is biased and basically said, or at least, implied that all Spanish people are white which is completely untrue. Andrewh7 (talk) 23:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Andrewh7

1- In no case have I said that all Spaniards are white, there are statements of mine where I clearly say that obviously not all of us are.

2- Saying that I am biased is assuming bad faith and could discredit you as someone productive in the discussion.

3- You do not have consensus to add "Olive" to the infobox.

User: Javier Navarro Fornés (talk) 00:39, April 30, 2024 (UTC)

1- You have said it here: "I live in Spain, I'm Spanish. I can assure you that all Iberian Spaniards are considered white, regardless of their tanning level."

3- Nor do you to add "White (Tanned)".

I'm sorry for being a bit harsh with you and for (unknowingly) contributing to an unnecessary edit war. I expressed my opposing opinions and reverted your edits yesterday, merely because I want everything to be perfect, which unintentionally caused a point of contention. I sincerely apologise. - Peregino (talk) 02:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

1- I think you've misunderstood that a bit, or most likely I didn't explained that well. I said that Spaniards "of Iberian origin" are considered "White". But not all Spaniards have Iberian origins, others have different backgrounds, and some of those are not White. Hence, not all Spaniards are White, obviously.

2- The infobox already had "White (Tanned)" included a long time ago. It's not something I included, it's not mine. I only homogenized the infobox information to the rest of the Quidditch characters.

Apologies completely accepted. Don't worry at all. User: Javier Navarro Fornés (talk) 04:19, April 30, 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry for misunderstanding your message, but there is no evidence that the team has Iberian origins. - Peregino (talk) 03:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

The Spain Quidditch characters are completely based on the Andalusian stereotype: Bullfighter aesthetics and costume, in fact, their Quidditch arena is based on a Plaza de Toros (Bullring). Believe me, (sadly) there is nothing more stereotypically "of Iberian origin" than a Spanish Torero (Bullfighter) from Andalusia hahaha. User: Javier Navarro Fornés (talk) 04:19, April 30, 2024 (UTC)

Peregino has a point there; there is no proof that the players of the Spanish National Quidditch team are of Iberian origins, so they cannot be considered white without proof from a valid source. Andrewh7 (talk) 18:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC) Andrewh7

Occam's razor. Every Quidditch team as represented in Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup has characters and names based on their home countries. To imagine that they might have foreign players, or Spanish-speaking South American players, etc is an unnecessary overcomplication. I do wonder why you are so pressed over the matter of how their skin color is described? It's not like people go into categories based on their skin colors, and it's not as though this wiki isn't very inconsistent already on 'White', 'Light', 'Dark', 'Black', etc. Why fixate so intensely on this small issue? Castlemore (talk) 22:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)