Could it be possible that Newt and Theseus are twins? Sure, Newt is described as Theseus's "little brother" but even a younger twin can be referred to as that. As well as this, twins crop up in Newt's great-grandchildren, Lorcan and Lysander, and the Goldstein girls are not apparently twins, and it seems that neither Xenophilius and Pandora were and Luna isn't as she's an only child... meaning the twin gene seems to come from Newt's direct blood line.
- The way in which it is stated is that Newt is not Theseus the war hero, but his little brother which implies he is both younger and less important or accomplished. If they are twins, this phrase goes against common usage as the more regular response would be this is his twin brother (twins being somewhat rare and noteworthy). As for the genetics, a single set of twins does not imply much as compared to a family history of twins. So is it possible Newt and Theseus are twins, of course, but it doesn't fit the data well IMHO --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:29, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
- I understand. My thinking was, given that we know Luna's family (at least direct, i.e parents) aren't twins and neither are the Goldstein sisters, it seems it's only Newt's it can come from. To me, "little brother" was used derisively, to show Newt isn't as good as Theseus; Theseus fought, Newt fiddled with Dragons somewhere abroad instead. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 15:32, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
- Twins are generally introduced as simply twins in both real life and fiction. Twin birth order isn't noteworthy enough for people to randomly comment upon or twins to openly declare themselves. With the exception of children, of course, in which case the first-born twin might feel compelled to point out "I'm the older one!" because it makes them feel more special or mature. But adult twins aren't going to go around randomly declaring their birth order because it'd make them look foolish. So the birth order of twins wouldn't be widely known or remarked upon outside their families. Most writers aren't going to mention twin birth order unless it's somehow relevant to the plot or serves a metaphorical function within the narrative (the older one protecting the younger one, etc.). Fred and George's birth order is never mentioned in the books or movies. We only know that Fred is the older of the two because J. K. Rowling was once asked about it in an interview.
- Genetics have no bearing on identical twins. The splitting of one egg into two eggs is a random event. Fraternal twins, on the other hand, can run in families, since some women are genetically predisposed to release more than one egg a cycle. The father's genetics don't have any effect on the likelihood of his conceiving fraternal twins because he's not the one producing eggs, but it's possible that he could be a carrier of the more-than-one-egg-per-cycle-gene and pass it on to his daughters, who'd then have an increased chance of twins (or pass it on to his sons, who in turn pass it on to his granddaughters, who'd then have an increased chance of giving him twin great-grandchildren). The point is that, even if Rolf carried the "twin gene," it couldn't have influenced or lead to his sons being twins. Luna's biological processes were what lead to twins, and if she had a genetic predisposition, it would've come from her line. (Not to mention we don't even know if Lorcan and Lysander are fraternal or identical). ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 17:32, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
"British Minister for Magic Archer Evermonde was responsible for passing emergency legislation forbidding wizards and witches from getting involved, in an attempt to prevent mass breaches of the International Statue of Secrecy."
Doesn't that mean that if Thesus fought in the WW1, he'd not be a war hero but an inmate in Azkaban? Sure he didn't fight against Grindelwald and his "fanatics"? Ninclow (talk) 17:20, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
- The Pottermore article "Ministers for Magic" states that "thousands defied" Evermonde. It's confirmed in Fantastic Beasts that there was an organized wizarding effort in WW1, as Jacob asked Newt if he fought in the war (scene 50 in the official screenplay), and he responded that he worked on the Eastern Front with dragons. Taken together, it would seem that Evermonde's emergency ban on wizarding war participation in WW1 was unpopular, and that it was never truly enforced and no one was ever convicted for defying it. Aurors could have collectively refused to round up wizarding war participants. The Wizengamot could have thrown out any cases that came before them, or given light sentences like fines and community service. Theseus having been convicted for illegal war participation and still being a respected Auror and war hero aren't mutually exclusive because it's entirely possible he only faced a proverbial "slap on the wrist." We also don't know when the war against Grindelwald began. Thus it's speculation to conclude this was the war in which Theseus earned the status of war hero. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 22:43, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
- He would still not be considered a "war hero". What wizarding effort there was in the war is irrelevant. Great Britain officially abstained, and Theseus is a British citizen, meaning that even if he did reach the status of "war hero" and other commended his efforts, he'd still be stripped of his job as Auror and thrown in Azkaban the second he set foot on British soil for defying his own wizarding governing body, whose jurisdiction and authority he had ignored. Breaking the law is breaking the law, even if it is for a noble cause.
- And that Newt worked with dragons on the Eastern Front during the WW1 proves nothing other than that he studied dragons during that time.
- It is more likely he became a known name for fighting a wizarding conflict than a Muggle one, though adding either one to the article is speculative. Ninclow (talk) 00:28, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
- I agree that it is speculation to state he fought in WW1. By 1926, it is very clear to me that there is already a war being fought between Grindelwald and the people that defy him. He has been making headlines for his crimes in Europe already. It may not have quite hit America yet hence the worry he is attacking them and starting one but he has already attacked Europe. People are hunting him. Theseus may be involved in that.
- However, I wouldn't rule out WW1. Simply because the law in once said that people shouldn't get involved, it doesn't mean that he couldn't be seen as a hero for defying that, especially when thousands had the same idea. Many rebels have gone on to be seen as heroes! And not everything - not every crime - needs to be punished by a trip to Azkaban. I think you are taking that part too seriously. Seeing as he reached the status as war hero, it would be very unpopular to punish him that way. The Great War was a very unique and devastating event. Exceptions could be made, particulary when thousands, not a select few groups, defied it. --Kates39 (talk) 00:53, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
- That Newt was involved in the wizarding effort in World War One is clear from the script. He explicitly responds to Jacob's question about whether he fought in the war in scene 50 by stating stating that he "worked mostly with [...] Ukrainian Ironbellies" on the Eastern Front. The Eastern Front isn't a general term for a geographical or political region like Eastern Europe, the Baltic states, etc. It refers specifically to a theatre of operations in both the First and Second World Wars. If JKR had intended for Newt not to have participated in the war, she would have made this clear by having him tell Jacob that he was in New Zealand studying Antipodean Opaleyes or something, not that he was "working" in a war zone.
- Theseus's participation is a little harder to tease out. But, in Theseus's letter to Newt that got cut out of the film (but is apparently included in the Lego Dimensions game), Theseus asks Newt if he knows what's been going on in Europe recently with Grindelwald, and states that Grindelwald is in hiding and that he (Theseus) has recently been given a special mission to "go away and ferret him out." We know from the script that Newt had been away for a year at the point the film is set. Thus, if Theseus thinks his little brother could be out of the loop about Grindelwald due to his international travels, it stands to reason that Grindelwald's rise to power in Europe occurred no earlier than late 1925. Plus, since Theseus had only recently been assigned the task of tracking down Grindelwald at the time the film is set (December 1926), he probably hasn't had time to build up an international reputation as a "war hero" in the fight against Grindelwald. Whereas World War One ended in 1918, giving Theseus plenty of time to have earned an international reputation for his deeds by 1926. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 02:19, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
- The letter was presumably cut because it directly contradicted the rest of the movie. The hunt for Grindelwald had been going on for some time by then, spreading across several countries in Europe before he gave them the slip. Alas, canonically, there is no reason to believe that Theseus "recently" was sent anywhere, even for Grindelwald. He corresponded with Grindelgraves, and unless you think he'd be stupid enough to allow owls to find him while hunting a Dark Wizard God knows where, there is no reason to believe he is anywhere else when he sends MACUSA Newt's file than behind his desk in the Ministry. Ninclow (talk) 02:48, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
Theseus Joins Grindelwald
I'm going to bet Theseus joined Grindelwald. Either already in events before the Fantastic Beasts movies so off screen or in the events within the Fantastic Beast movies so we'll see it. The Dumbledore-Grindelwald War will tear another family a part. Seasrmar (talk) 21:17, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
Head Auror source?
- https://www.pottermore.com/features/a-closer-look-at-the-characters-of-fantastic-beasts-the-crimes-of-grindelwald - click on his + sign. --Ironyak1 (talk) 17:03, November 16, 2017 (UTC)