Talk: Unidentified 19th-century Hogwarts student

Year it takes place

I believe I figured out what year Hogwarts Legacy takes place. In the Reveal Trailer from the State of Play event, there is a Daily Prophet article and if you look closely at it, it reads Monday September 1, 1890 at the top, meaning that the game takes place in 1890. Andrewh7 (talk) 02:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC) Andrewh7

Yes the newspaper does say it takes place in 1890. However, I don't know if the trailer has been clear enough on whether the scenes in it take place in the same school year. The player starts Hogwarts in their fifth year, so that's three years of school they have to play through. Could the scene showing the newspaper have taken place in their sixth or seventh year? Granted, the other scenes in trailer do appear to take place in the same school year, the fifth one, because they are very introductory but I don't know if it's guaranteed. Part of the game at least will take place in 1890 so that gives us a frame for when these events happen. - Kates39 (talk) 09:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

We do not even know if we can play the other two years, just as a fifth year. They probably only did fifth year first to see how well it is received before doing sixth and seventh year, and to get it out as soon as possible. They may not even do sixth and seventh year, and just stick with fifth year. Andrewh7 (talk) 19:38, 19 March 2022 (UTC) Andrewh7

I am warming up to 1890, but a bit hesitant to fully endorse and accept it, based on so little information.

The trailer is meant as an introductory piece to the game, so it would naturally be very limited with respect to revealing information. That one single issue of The Daily Prophet is a single snapshot in time, and it seems to be well into the plot.

It could very well be the main character’s 1st (or rather 5th) year. It could be in the 6th or 7th year and is given after gaining “some experience”, for lack of better wording.

Anyways, That’s my reasoning. SeichanGrey (talk) 12:06, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

would this ever have a "name"

I know it is very early, but would this character ever have one? other than "main character of HL"? SeichanGrey (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

According to the BTS section, and akin to the other HP games, their name is player-determined. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  21:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it would be player-determined. For the wiki article, I would imagine the title be unwieldy. Hopefully this character can use a name other than the current "unidentified". SeichanGrey (talk) 15:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I think we need to discuss moving the page to another name. Having "unidentified" isn't something I want see retained for the wiki. Preferably the time is before the game's release. SeichanGrey (talk) 03:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

'Unidentified' is also in use for the Magic Awakened player character and the Wonderbook: Book of Spells player character. It is simply the only way to title their pages if we don't know their name, unless there is some non-player-determined always-canonical identifying attribute we can use, e.g. Jacob's sibling for the Hogwarts Mystery player character and Hogwarts potions champion for the Wonderbook: Book of Potions player character. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  11:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

How about naming the page "Hero of Hogwarts"? This is a title that the character actually has in the game unlike "Unidentified 19th century Hogwarts student" It is also easier to refer to and more rememberble. It is also a canon name that is actually used in the Harry Potter universe. - Rakotino4, 15:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Please check out our policies first, including Harry Potter Wiki:Notability guidelines#Unidentified subjects. The name should be able to distinguish the character from others, there're far too many heros of Hogwarts for this one to stand out. Also, "The Hero of Hogwarts" is only the name of a game achievement instead of something that's actually said in the world that the story is set in.

And FYI, a rename is currently being discussed at Category talk:Candidates for renaming#Unidentified 19th-century Hogwarts student → New fifth-year student. The arguably best suggestion is still "New fifth-year Hogwarts student (1890)" or "New fifth-year Hogwarts student in 1890". MalchonC (talk) 16:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I might say Main Protagonist in HL

--  LLG  Talk 

Again, please read our policies first. Out-of-universe names like this are not acceptable. MalchonC (talk) 01:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Late-bloomer

I believe that regardless of whether or not Avalanche labels the protagonist as such or not during the game, we have tier-one canon confirming the Main Character as a Late-bloomer. According to Writing by J. K. Rowling: "The Quill of Acceptance and The Book of Admittance" at Harry Potter (website), J. K. Rowling tells us the following:

"At the precise moment that a child first exhibits signs of magic, the Quill, which is believed to have been taken from an Augurey, floats up out of its inkpot and attempts to inscribe the name of that child upon the pages of the Book"

"The Book and Quill’s decision is final and no child has ever been admitted whose name has not first been inscribed on the book’s yellowing pages."

In other words, canonically speaking, at the very moment that the new student was born, the Quill attempted to write their name and was refused by the Book, which snapped shut. Only around the time the Main Character was fifteen did the old stickler of a Book receive a sufficiently dramatic evidence of magical ability to accept that they were truly a witch/wizard. At least canonically. This means we can build on the Late-bloomer page and use it as a reference frame for known late-bloomers, the ability to perceive ancient magic, etc. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 20:57, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Can we rule out that the player character is a transfer student rather than a late bloomer? -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  22:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

They seem to be starting from scratch in learning magic and are placed in fifth-year based on their age. Note that there are at least 3 characters with this situation so if the words "late-bloomer" aren't ever used I'd be quite surprised and think we should wait and see for now if such an interpretation isn't just stated directly at some point. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

If they do in fact start from scratch, that's only additional confirmation. Rowling talked about a character she had thought about including who found their way to Hogwarts despite later than the usual despite having never performed magic previously." In other words, they're definitionally a late-bloomer, so I think it makes a prudent backup in case the ability the MC has doesn't get a proper name. WeaseleyIsOurKing89 (talk) 08:32, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

User:WeaseleyIsOurKing89, I've put them down as a late-bloomer since if they had shown magical ability earlier, they would have been accepted into Hogwarts earlier. I agree with your points and it is pretty matter-of-fact. Have put the same for Isidora and Percival. Hope that clears it up! Castlemore (talk) 00:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Chronology of side quests

How do we fit side quest storylines into the chronology of the article? I feel like a "===Side quests=== subheading under 'Fifth year' is out of universe - any other options? Castlemore (talk) 00:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I considered adding a subheading titled something like "Other adventures". I do think it is a good idea to separate the side quests to the events of the main story for this article. Chronology shouldn't be a problem with this approach. Does anyone else have any ideas? - Kates39 (talk) 11:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. Castlemore (talk) 13:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Images of the student

Should this article even have images which show the student's face, body, or anything which indicates which Hogwarts house they belonged to? Hard to have an article about a character whose background and physical appearance is deliberately meant to be ambiguous (and up to the player's choice) when most images in the article show a male character with light skin and brown/blackish hair, and who belongs to Ravenclaw. -ColovianHastur (talk) 02:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

The article can use images of the student in unique appearances in the main article, because they illustrate canonical stuff from the game, like with Jacob's sibling. However, the article should never specify their house, appearance or gender, because it depends on the player. RedWizard98 (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Should an article header be created for these situations then? Something along the lines of: "The images in this article are meant only to illustrate the events in which this individual was involved, and are not representative of this character's physical appearance, gender, and other biographical background, such as their house". Could be used for both this article and that of Jacob's sibling, as well as any potential future articles about characters whose traits are meant to be ambiguous. -ColovianHastur (talk) 23:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

No need, BTS explains that the character is customised. RedWizard98 (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2023 (UTC)