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:::::::So I moved the {2}|chapter= check up to the |B|#default and I think that provides the behavior desired. See [[User:Ironyak1/Sandbox]] for the full test suite. If you want to support a similar specific citation method for the other mediums then it is simple of course to add {2}|time, {2}|level, etc for each case. With our back and forth, I think we've found a very robust approach so I think it's been time well spent. Let me know what you feel is left to sort out. --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 23:22, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
 
:::::::So I moved the {2}|chapter= check up to the |B|#default and I think that provides the behavior desired. See [[User:Ironyak1/Sandbox]] for the full test suite. If you want to support a similar specific citation method for the other mediums then it is simple of course to add {2}|time, {2}|level, etc for each case. With our back and forth, I think we've found a very robust approach so I think it's been time well spent. Let me know what you feel is left to sort out. --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 23:22, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
 
::::::::FYI there is some trailing space issue or something causing trouble with comment tags after (video game). See [[Parvati Patil]] --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 06:06, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 
::::::::FYI there is some trailing space issue or something causing trouble with comment tags after (video game). See [[Parvati Patil]] --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 06:06, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::Yeah, I can understand the frustration, but saying that allowing for creating citations like ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (soundtrack)]]'' - Chapter 2, is intentional, sounds a little like the old "it's not a bug, it's a feature" argument ;) If you really want to support detailed citation for the films, soundtracks, and video games, I am wholly supportive and would probably find ways to use it, but the language needs to fit the medium so film (regardless of viewing - theater, DVD, etc) uses "at:time", soundtracks use "track: name/num (at:time)", and video games use "Level: name/num". The simple way I restructured PS allows for adding these medium specific citations but preserves the key solution that you came up with, namely the if {2}chapter approach. Let me know if you plan to add in these extended citation options.
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::::::::If you're not going to implement those now, then I think PS is complete and covers all the common uses in Appearances and References. The other 6 core templates just have to be updated. I have started to work up the documentation asked for ([[User:Ironyak1/Link Template List]]) so let me know if I missed any templates or options (I need to add in chapter= option for QTA for instance). I coded a new HPV for the vault books now that the Artifact vault is being released in June whose name I think fits better than HPCV or TCV so these can be depricated & deleted.
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::::::::Given the little display oddities seen like with Patil (I created some with my PM|link changes as well) I think it best to review WhatLinksHere for now and slowly use the templates on edits during the next few days to see what else we run into. As everyone has been clearly in favor thus far, I will bump the thread with the documentation later today, then bump/notify admins in a few days to solicit any final input. Unless there are any isues found, the link templates should be in wide circulation at the end of the week. Let me know if there's anything more I can do to help, and thanks for all the hard work! --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 12:00, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

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Editing of full-protected pages

Hi, Sajuuk! May I ask if you are a helper or do you work for Wikia that you can edit full-protected pages? Normally only admins and higher can do so if I remember correct.  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 15:15, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, the missing logo irritated me. And that there are things you don't like I didn't know. But as content moderator you should have a logo, too, but I don't see any. So that's the cause I asked you. Thanks for the information!  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 16:10, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
Then let's hope the best. This bug exists already for a long time.  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 16:20, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

"Overzealous"

You might consider that when multiple people have to call you out, including actual sysops, on your tone and approach to handling things that there might be a better way? Given your extensive experience, perhaps sharing some of that knowledge and providing a pointer to this new user as to how to use a sandbox would be a useful and friendly follow up to removing their first edit? This doesn't seem to be your style which is why I consider it overzealous and decided on a good will gesture to be more welcoming (even at the risk of "inciting laziness" ;). Ah another day, another argument with you. Same time tomorrow? --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:17, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Bot

Sorry, but if the proposal appeared uncontroversial, then I'd feel comfortable weighing in on it. But as it stands, it appears that there's quite a bit of concern. It's not personal. I just don't feel I know enough about the situation to be comfortable making an informed decision. ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:05, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Link templates

I edited {{PS}} to fit the current input/output we were talking about so it can demo in the forums. I put the Chapter after the default value a little differently to avoid the double pipes. I am doing something similar on QTA, TBB, and FB so let me know if you find any issues with it. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 21:17, May 13, 2016 :(UTC)

One more thought - perhaps all the template names should drop including the initial letter for 'the', 'of'. So PS, CS, PA, GF, OP, HBP, DH. Saves a little space ;) and is more consistent for WWHP: The Wizarding World of Harry Potter, HPE: Harry Potter: The Exhibition, MHP: The Making of Harry Potter, etc. I added HPCV to replace TCV to follow the same convention. The two letter codes are familiar to anyone who followed The HP Lexicon so they should be uncontroversial. --Ironyak1 (talk) 23:09, May 13, 2016 (UTC)
DOH - I just noticed that the changes I made to PS removes the chapter=1 approach we had settled on so I went back and modified it. Sorry about that! --Ironyak1 (talk) 02:56, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Ok last change idea - I would like to move the chapter number up to the |B option - the call would look like this {{DH|B|1}} and the output would be Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Chapter 1. This combines the best of both worlds in that you don't have to type out chapter= and you can only set chapter information for the book. Just a single line of code on the |B option and Bob's your uncle. {{#if:{{{2|}}}| Chapter - {{{2}}}|}}. You do need to remove the (book) text however -> redlink. Let me know if you want to edit these or if you unlock them I can make the change over. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 20:26, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
From DH: |B=Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (book). I disagree with having to type out "chapter=1" just to have the code return "Chapter - 1" as higly redundant and requiring users to know the variable names. Also with the current approach they have to know to double pipe the call to pass in 2 whereas |B|2 links together the idea of citing a book - chapter. I can ping sysops on the matter (FWIW), but I really do think the B|1 is cleaner and easier to understand and makes for simpler code. Any final thoughts before I check with others? --Ironyak1 (talk) 20:47, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
I really like the idea of covering both bases and it removes the double piping, but it seems to still allow some odd constructions {{PS|F|chapter=5}} = Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) - Chapter 5
I can see a couple options to try as it's probably best to link {2} and chapter to |B and #default choices only I think. PS - I'm in chat if that's easier --Ironyak1 (talk) 21:03, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
It's an interesting argument although I don't think anybody would cite film - chapter 2, or game - chapter 4. If you really want to support this citation method, I think you'd just pull {2} for each of the switch cases and cite: (film) at: 30m 15s, or (video game) - Level 3. Overall, I think the current approach allows for both a short and explicit method and that is good, but overloading the notion of chapter when displaying information the other mediums doesn't make much sense. Again, no rush on it so think through some options and we can go from there. FWIW, it feels very close to a complete solution. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 21:28, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
So I moved the {2}|chapter= check up to the |B|#default and I think that provides the behavior desired. See User:Ironyak1/Sandbox for the full test suite. If you want to support a similar specific citation method for the other mediums then it is simple of course to add {2}|time, {2}|level, etc for each case. With our back and forth, I think we've found a very robust approach so I think it's been time well spent. Let me know what you feel is left to sort out. --Ironyak1 (talk) 23:22, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
FYI there is some trailing space issue or something causing trouble with comment tags after (video game). See Parvati Patil --Ironyak1 (talk) 06:06, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I can understand the frustration, but saying that allowing for creating citations like Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (soundtrack) - Chapter 2, is intentional, sounds a little like the old "it's not a bug, it's a feature" argument ;) If you really want to support detailed citation for the films, soundtracks, and video games, I am wholly supportive and would probably find ways to use it, but the language needs to fit the medium so film (regardless of viewing - theater, DVD, etc) uses "at:time", soundtracks use "track: name/num (at:time)", and video games use "Level: name/num". The simple way I restructured PS allows for adding these medium specific citations but preserves the key solution that you came up with, namely the if {2}chapter approach. Let me know if you plan to add in these extended citation options.
If you're not going to implement those now, then I think PS is complete and covers all the common uses in Appearances and References. The other 6 core templates just have to be updated. I have started to work up the documentation asked for (User:Ironyak1/Link Template List) so let me know if I missed any templates or options (I need to add in chapter= option for QTA for instance). I coded a new HPV for the vault books now that the Artifact vault is being released in June whose name I think fits better than HPCV or TCV so these can be depricated & deleted.
Given the little display oddities seen like with Patil (I created some with my PM|link changes as well) I think it best to review WhatLinksHere for now and slowly use the templates on edits during the next few days to see what else we run into. As everyone has been clearly in favor thus far, I will bump the thread with the documentation later today, then bump/notify admins in a few days to solicit any final input. Unless there are any isues found, the link templates should be in wide circulation at the end of the week. Let me know if there's anything more I can do to help, and thanks for all the hard work! --Ironyak1 (talk) 12:00, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
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