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You probably saw my Forum post already, but just toying with ways to find talk and forum discussions a little easier. Likely there are ways to improve it so feedback is welcomed as always. Cheers --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 19:52, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
You probably saw my Forum post already, but just toying with ways to find talk and forum discussions a little easier. Likely there are ways to improve it so feedback is welcomed as always. Cheers --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 19:52, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
Well. If I will upload image of conversation as a proof then it is ok isn't? --[[User:Matthew Bowyer Fan|Matthew Bowyer Fan]] ([[User talk:Matthew Bowyer Fan|talk]]) 14:57, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

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Editing of full-protected pages

Hi, Sajuuk! May I ask if you are a helper or do you work for Wikia that you can edit full-protected pages? Normally only admins and higher can do so if I remember correct.  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 15:15, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, the missing logo irritated me. And that there are things you don't like I didn't know. But as content moderator you should have a logo, too, but I don't see any. So that's the cause I asked you. Thanks for the information!  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 16:10, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
Then let's hope the best. This bug exists already for a long time.  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 16:20, May 1, 2016 (UTC)


You might consider that when multiple people have to call you out, including actual sysops, on your tone and approach to handling things that there might be a better way? Given your extensive experience, perhaps sharing some of that knowledge and providing a pointer to this new user as to how to use a sandbox would be a useful and friendly follow up to removing their first edit? This doesn't seem to be your style which is why I consider it overzealous and decided on a good will gesture to be more welcoming (even at the risk of "inciting laziness" ;). Ah another day, another argument with you. Same time tomorrow? --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:17, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Bot

Sorry, but if the proposal appeared uncontroversial, then I'd feel comfortable weighing in on it. But as it stands, it appears that there's quite a bit of concern. It's not personal. I just don't feel I know enough about the situation to be comfortable making an informed decision. ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:05, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Link templates

I edited {{PS}} to fit the current input/output we were talking about so it can demo in the forums. I put the Chapter after the default value a little differently to avoid the double pipes. I am doing something similar on QTA, TBB, and FB so let me know if you find any issues with it. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 21:17, May 13, 2016 :(UTC)

One more thought - perhaps all the template names should drop including the initial letter for 'the', 'of'. So PS, CS, PA, GF, OP, HBP, DH. Saves a little space ;) and is more consistent for WWHP: The Wizarding World of Harry Potter, HPE: Harry Potter: The Exhibition, MHP: The Making of Harry Potter, etc. I added HPCV to replace TCV to follow the same convention. The two letter codes are familiar to anyone who followed The HP Lexicon so they should be uncontroversial. --Ironyak1 (talk) 23:09, May 13, 2016 (UTC)
DOH - I just noticed that the changes I made to PS removes the chapter=1 approach we had settled on so I went back and modified it. Sorry about that! --Ironyak1 (talk) 02:56, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Ok last change idea - I would like to move the chapter number up to the |B option - the call would look like this {{DH|B|1}} and the output would be Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Chapter 1. This combines the best of both worlds in that you don't have to type out chapter= and you can only set chapter information for the book. Just a single line of code on the |B option and Bob's your uncle. {{#if:{{{2|}}}| Chapter - {{{2}}}|}}. You do need to remove the (book) text however -> redlink. Let me know if you want to edit these or if you unlock them I can make the change over. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 20:26, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
From DH: |B=Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (book). I disagree with having to type out "chapter=1" just to have the code return "Chapter - 1" as higly redundant and requiring users to know the variable names. Also with the current approach they have to know to double pipe the call to pass in 2 whereas |B|2 links together the idea of citing a book - chapter. I can ping sysops on the matter (FWIW), but I really do think the B|1 is cleaner and easier to understand and makes for simpler code. Any final thoughts before I check with others? --Ironyak1 (talk) 20:47, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
I really like the idea of covering both bases and it removes the double piping, but it seems to still allow some odd constructions {{PS|F|chapter=5}} = Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) - Chapter 5
I can see a couple options to try as it's probably best to link {2} and chapter to |B and #default choices only I think. PS - I'm in chat if that's easier --Ironyak1 (talk) 21:03, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
It's an interesting argument although I don't think anybody would cite film - chapter 2, or game - chapter 4. If you really want to support this citation method, I think you'd just pull {2} for each of the switch cases and cite: (film) at: 30m 15s, or (video game) - Level 3. Overall, I think the current approach allows for both a short and explicit method and that is good, but overloading the notion of chapter when displaying information the other mediums doesn't make much sense. Again, no rush on it so think through some options and we can go from there. FWIW, it feels very close to a complete solution. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 21:28, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
So I moved the {2}|chapter= check up to the |B|#default and I think that provides the behavior desired. See User:Ironyak1/Sandbox for the full test suite. If you want to support a similar specific citation method for the other mediums then it is simple of course to add {2}|time, {2}|level, etc for each case. With our back and forth, I think we've found a very robust approach so I think it's been time well spent. Let me know what you feel is left to sort out. --Ironyak1 (talk) 23:22, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
FYI there is some trailing space issue or something causing trouble with comment tags after (video game). See Parvati Patil --Ironyak1 (talk) 06:06, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I can understand the frustration, but saying that allowing for creating citations like Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (soundtrack) - Chapter 2, is intentional, sounds a little like the old "it's not a bug, it's a feature" argument ;) If you really want to support detailed citation for the films, soundtracks, and video games, I am wholly supportive and would probably find ways to use it, but the language needs to fit the medium so film (regardless of viewing - theater, DVD, etc) uses "at:time", soundtracks use "track: name/num (at:time)", and video games use "Level: name/num". The simple way I restructured PS allows for adding these medium specific citations but preserves the key solution that you came up with, namely the if {2}chapter approach. Let me know if you plan to add in these extended citation options.
If you're not going to implement those now, then I think PS is complete and covers all the common uses in Appearances and References. The other 6 core templates just have to be updated. I have started to work up the documentation asked for (User:Ironyak1/Link Template List) so let me know if I missed any templates or options (I need to add in chapter= option for QTA for instance). I coded a new HPV for the vault books now that the Artifact vault is being released in June whose name I think fits better than HPCV or TCV so these can be depricated & deleted.
Given the little display oddities seen like with Patil (I created some with my PM|link changes as well) I think it best to review WhatLinksHere for now and slowly use the templates on edits during the next few days to see what else we run into. As everyone has been clearly in favor thus far, I will bump the thread with the documentation later today, then bump/notify admins in a few days to solicit any final input. Unless there are any isues found, the link templates should be in wide circulation at the end of the week. Let me know if there's anything more I can do to help, and thanks for all the hard work! --Ironyak1 (talk) 12:00, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Policy discussions

I recently opened a couple of discussions on the Wizengamot forum proposing changes to policy. The first proposal concerns adding new guidelines on the listing of family members in character infoboxes to HPW:CIFG. The second proposal concerns updating our formal policy on the use of copyrighted material (such as screenshots from the films) to bring it into line with current practice. If you have time, feel free to check out these discussions, and contribute your thoughts and suggestions. Starstuff (Owl me!) 00:05, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

hi how are you?

Rita Skeeter

If you want to change it back to your way for the difference between the books and films for Goblet of Fire you will need to make a Rita Redirect page for that to work, unless you want to go with my previous approach instead. -Adv193 (talk) 16:03, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Nice for taking care of it. I'll also help take care of any spelling problem are adding in any information that is important to note like what I did for Percy to make it more understandable for people to read. I will note that any differences that do not have anything with the importance of the plot in the film can be just be kept in the "Behind the Scenes" area of that character's page, while Harry, Fred, and George recognizing Cedric Diggory in the Goblet of Fire book unlike the film can be one such think that will be reserved for the character pages and not the film pages since it will help avoid too unnecessary words in the film pages which I hope you understand the importance of what I am trying to say. But nice work on making sure the same subject is not repeated twice like S.P.E.W. to cut down on unnecessary space. -Adv193 (talk) 16:19, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

RE: RC / Activity feed subpages

You probably saw my Forum post already, but just toying with ways to find talk and forum discussions a little easier. Likely there are ways to improve it so feedback is welcomed as always. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 19:52, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

Well. If I will upload image of conversation as a proof then it is ok isn't? --Matthew Bowyer Fan (talk) 14:57, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

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